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Winter crop update

16 years ago

I just have to post this update. First of all, this is my first year growing anything in AZ so it's been a challenge. I'm used to just putting things in the ground and literally watching them grow in great black humus on the riverbanks of the Arkansas river in OKlahoma. I then lived in Lawton, OK where I literally piled horse manure over 40 acres of fine, rock free clay/loam. It wasn't as good of soil but once the manure aged a bit anything would grow. I mounded that soil up and grew away!

Here, it's been a challenge to say the least.

Anyway, update here we go. All tomatoes purchased from Home Depot (I know, gag!!) on October 24th and transplanted from 3-4" pots. Patio tomato has about 6 tomatoes within a few days of being ready to pick. (I could pick now and ripen inside but I'll wait and vine ripen). It has about 6 more tiny ones and maybe 6 more blossoms that have set. No more blossoms in sight so I think it's done after that.

Early girl is starting to really blossom. Is now over the top of her 36" cage!!

SS 100 has two small fruit and a few blossoms. Is at the top but not over the cage!!

Both Early girl and SS 100 were about 6" high when purchased. So, 30" of growth in 30 days.

The amazing thing is that they get about 2 hours of sunshine (except Patio which I can move around) a day. I have aluminum foil on the back of each of their cages trying to maximize meager sunlight. I added Christmas lights about 2 weeks ago during a cold snap and decided to keep on 24/7 in hopes of a little more light. (plenty warm most days, in the high 70s, sometimes 80). No fertilizer except a little epsom salts/blood meal/bone meal at planting time. I do put a cardboard box around them at night if it will be below 50 degrees for protection and bring Patio in if it will be same.

Anyway, just planted my gy-mourmous order of seeds that I ordered, all heirlooms about 4 days ago. Looking forward to getting the colder varieties in the ground around Jan 1, the others by Feb 1-15. Step-daughter works for U-haul so will have access to lots of old boxes if needed for protection on cold nights.

Came to the conclusion that the only way to successfully grow things here in AZ is the three season method. Spring/fall/winter. We need very short season varieties. Maybe try to keep one or two extra hardy souls alive through the summer but overall not worth it except in a microclimate of perfect conditions.

Otherwise, plant for quick, cold tolerant winter tomatoes, than another season late summer for fall that can mature a little slower and can have a couple of extreme cold tolerants through the winter.

Next year plan to plant a few more Sept/Oct winter plants from Siberia/Canada for winter tomatoes. My habaneros and cowhorn peppers are going strong which makes me think I could have had more tomatoes of some variety doing well at this time of year.

Comments (6)

  • 16 years ago

    This is very interesting to me (Zone 9 Southern California) as it is similar to how my gardening plan has evolved.

    Several of my spring-planted tomatoes are still going (Early Girl and Sweet 100), though production has greatly slowed since it's been dipping below 50 at night. The quality is definitely less than at their peak but still clearly better than supermarket. I did not get it together to do a fall tomato planting this year, but over the past few months I've collected seed for several cold-tolerant tomato types such as Bloody Butcher, Ildi, Lahman Pink, and Black Prince. So next fall I will try plantings of those in Sept/Oct.

    My tomatoes definitely took a production break in August during the hottest part of the year, but they did start up again as soon as the heat lessened. Peppers, eggplants, most everything else survived pretty well with constant watering. My peppers and some eggplant are still going. So I think vegetable gardening is possible nearly year-round. Per my "52 Weeks in the California Garden" book, I will be setting out new tomatoes (early types) as early as February. We'll see what happens.

  • 16 years ago

    My tomatoes took a break in August too, but we've been harvesting Matt's Wild Cherry for over a month, and the Romas that also sulked in late summer are producing a few, with lots more in the small green stage. I should have cut them back severely

    The advantage of keeping a mature, heavily pruned indeterminate plant is that its root structure can support a faster re-start when the weather cools off.

    I've got Early Girls that are turning yellow (not nearly as tall as Tracy's, but they get way more sun)

    And ... if you like Eggplant or Okra, they LOVE the summer. I cut back the okra a week ago, experimenting with getting it to overwinter.

  • 16 years ago

    My peppers and eggplant are still going too. In fact, I need to pick an eggplant tomorrow and we're getting more peppers now than ever.
    I'm planting okra next year ( husband will learn to like, lol ) and more eggplant.
    Today my tomato seeds germinated. 5 days from planting!

  • 16 years ago

    I've been wondering whether to pick all the green Moretons, Black Krims and Brandy Boys in the garden at the moment. It's going to get pretty cold here tonight, although the tomatoes and the plants seem to be doing fine. I agree with tracydr about short season varieties being best for our climate; unfortunately so often they are very lacking in flavor. This summer I will cut back--WAY back--the big indeterminates and keep them alive through the horrid heat. lazygardens is right--at least the well developed root structure will already be in place. It was so hot I couldn't get new seedlings hardened off this year until late September or early October--way too late. Good luck with the winter crop. I'm not pulling anything, but I'm not mollycoddling anything either. I'm planning to set out my spring seedlings on or about February 1.

  • 16 years ago

    "I've been wondering whether to pick all the green Moretons, Black Krims and Brandy Boys "

    then
    "I'm not pulling anything"

  • 16 years ago

    I picked two beautiful ripe tomatoes today from the Patio. More coming!! Of course, it's a determinate so only so many tomatoes on the little guy.
    Early girl is blooming like crazy despite her shady location an she's 40" tall, starting at 6" just over a month ago!!