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Acadia Heat Pump

16 years ago

I'm quite surprised by some of the positive responses that are on this post about the Acadia Heat Pump. Let me give you my experience. I am not a basher and have no other reason to post other than to let you know my situation.

I was very excited to get off oil and begged and pleaded with my wife that this would be great for us and save us a ton a money in August 2008 when oil kept going up and up. Our set up was only 3 years old at the time so it was a very difficult proposition to get her on board. In fact, we were on a TV news show that appeared in the MA area about people considering alternatives to oil . I should also mention that this was for our 1000sq.ft. guest house and home office and not our main living quarters.

The following experience has been an expensive and extensive nightmare. First, I didn't qualify for any of the rebates available at that time because it turned that Hallowell had not received the proper codes for their products and that everything was under review still. This is in complete contradiction to what I had been informed and even the installer was quite surprised by that. These rebates at the time were quite generous and I had figured them out in the total cost and was quite disappointed by Hallowell and my own gullibility.

In a cool September of 2008, I immediately started getting large electric bills around $400. I was told that this is normal since we were not using oil and that we're still saving money. I was told to be patient and that the true savings would show up soon enough. October's bill was worse at $550. I called again and questioned it but was told that everything is at it should be. In November, the electric bill was $700+ and December even higher.

This is when I started to get very upset. I had already lost out on the extensive rebates and now this was costing me more than when oil was at its peak. The installer came by and noted that the compressors weren't on and got Hallowell on the phone to troubleshoot the problems. At first, Hallowell insisted that everything was fine. Only one tech realized that the included wiring instructions were written wrong and that the electric heat strips were the only thing working. I noted that I had been questioning this since the beginning and that Hallowell had worked with the installer from the beginning in setting up the entire system.

Of course, the next month's bill was enormous and dwarfed the other bills but was told to wait for the following month. Duane Hallowell himself had come to the house to check everything out and insisted all was fine now. He apologized for the inconvenience and said that he would reimburse me for the excessive bills. I informed him about the missed rebates and he said that unfortunately they had some delays in the process but "You know how slow the government agencies are..." I suggested that maybe he should make sure that his company doesn't tell people about the rebates that they're not qualified for since that leads to confusion for the consumer.

Duane asked for all of my electric bills for the last 2 years and my last 2 years of oil bills and for the heat calculations taken for the building and then he did his own heat calculations and assessment. After much patience and then 3-4 repeated calls, he never did make good on the reimbursement and I was told that he was busy and then I'd never hear from them.

Well the electric bills continued to stay up there and soon found out that the compressors had failed and this was after a month of being online. I was also told that this had happened to someone else nearby. Hallowell sent their own technicians from Maine to replace the compressors and check out the entire system from scratch. At this point, they changed one Thermostat to one of their own specifications which they had redesigned since my system had been installed only months before. They only had one of them and therefore I was concerned about each one being different since they had already explained for an hour that the first ones were better and that there was no need to switch them. Then I was told the exact opposite and neither explanation made any sense as each time they contradicted what they had just took the time to explain. This was with the lead technicians of the installers present. Even they were shaking their heads in the confusion.

In a previous conversation with Duane, he had said that the $90/month was an 'average' for the entire year when you considered that for some months you wouldn't be using the system at all (?). I thought that might be the same as when the car manufacture figures that some of the time you're driving downhill with the engine off. I explained that even given his calculations, I had gone through that budget in only 1 1/2 months of usage.

Well now it's January 2010 and I received another bill close to $800. The outside unit is completely frozen over and I'm told that the computer boards have failed. The installer has been fantastic and worked hand in hand with Hallowell to try and remedy this situation. I was informed that another woman had the exact same problems too. The installer found out from other installers that they're having the same difficulties and that Hallowell has not honored any of their warranties and that they've all lost money on their own costs and servicing of the units.

My installer is now offering to give me a Carrier Hybrid system instead and had given up on Hallowell and feels bad that his customers who trusted him were so disappointed.

If this were a car, that promised to save you money but then was declined the promised rebates, was miss wired by the manufacturer's own written instructions, then the engine failed, now the computer boards failed and was costing you thousands of extra money on gas then I think you might be perturbed and very disappointed in the car.

In summary, I was very enthusiastic and thought that we were making the best decision for our family. It was a tremendous expense especially as my wife is a teacher and I'm self employed. I thought that we're ahead of the curve and that this would be great. I was extremely patient and never got angry although I admit that, in the privacy of my own home, my language got colorful when I saw those electric bills.

One could easily blame it on the installer if it wasn't for the fact that Hallowell had been involved since day one on the installation and the owner himself came down to check everything out for himself. In fact, the installer is the only one who has stood by me this entire time. The product is defective and exorbitant to buy, install, maintain and in monthly utility bills. I'm sure that I'm not the only one to get a lemon. I don't think this is a one case scenario.

Comments (9)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. Thats alot of money being spent on electricity!!! I bet that heat pump and installation were very expensive too!! How much was the Acadia heat pump installed for? I bet it was like 10 grand.

    You should have simply bought an airsource heat-pump from a big-name manufacturer or one of their cheaper label brands. Sometimes it doesn't make sense going 'too high efficient' because the technology costs too much, and it can be unreliable. Reliability is very important. When something is unreliable it eats into the energy savings which is the whole purpose for buying new (unless comfort or equipment failure). Also if something costs too much the energy savings never pay for itself.

    I think ACADIA is too small of a name company with too small a reputation to risk spending big money. If there unit was so good how come other big company's didn't use that same technology?

    A regular single stage air-source heat pump is the way too go in my opinion. The highest efficiency single stage is the way to go too be more specific. I think 2 stage heat pumps are overkill, and the higher price and extra complexity negates any energy savings.

    I like the idea of geo-thermal, but the problem in my area is there is a huge premium on the loop installation and this can be too much trouble too. There is also a premium if you say the word geo-thermal. People who work on it have to be 'specially trained' and they want tons of money. I don't think you can find the deals on the labor like I find with finding someone to help me install my air-source heat pump.

    My 3-ton Luxaire 14.5 seer heat pump condensor was $1467 from the wholesaler. Ofcourse we also had to buy the 3.5 ton a-coil, new lineset, honeywell focus-pro wireless t-stat to control it all, and misc. supplies. With labor and me serving as the helper it ended up costing only 3 grand.
    Its been working fine when 35F or above. At 32 is seems to run alot more. At 25 degree's it runs almost non-stop.

    My November 20 to December 22 electric bill was $112. I have my gas-furnace set to run when 30 or below instead of heat pump. I have been experiementing with running the heat pump at colder temps just to see how it does. Some people might be more comfortable with a switchover temperature of 35 from heat pump to gas. I think 40 switchover is too high but might be appropriate if your sensitive too cooler heat.

    Thats my 2 cents.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Let me offer a small contradiction to gulong's experience, for the record. We got the Acadia in the summer of 2008 and I must admit that we have had several problems with it along the way that we are definitely NOT happy about.I can share the whole story if anyone cares but the point of this posting is to completely disagree with his assessment of the service and person care aspects of Hallowell. They have been absolutely helpful, caring and interactive with me throughout all of the issues that have come up. They have also been extremely timely in sending replacement parts to fix those issues, by overnight shipment in all but one case. We do not have the extended third party warranty, and yet they have sent those at no cost and have even covered most of the labor involved in the several service call necessary. we are in the midst of another issue ( a repeat of last year) and the head tech is completely sympathetic, on top of it and contacted me back immediately after a late night phone message and email to him.
    What you are describing in terms of lack of communications totally contradicts my whole history with them, so I can't help but wonder what the difference is??? Our electric usage was very high for last month, which is one thing that led to our discovery of the current problem, but nowhere near what you are describing. Have you asked that they simply replace the unit??? They seem so intent on good customer relations and care that I am puzzled. I am not happy that we have issues at all and would be hateful to them if not for the wonderful caring attention that has been given us!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    greengirl how has your acadia been working ? what have your monthly electric bills been in the winter and now ? do you see a savings ? would you reccomend the acadia ? i am thinking of the acadia for my home which is mostly green the airkrete insulation. i'm thinking the acadia , with solar and the excellent insulation may be the finishing touch but....... i need a reliable acadia and i need the results with the lower electric bill. let me know all you can how it is saving or busting your budjet. what did you spend also. thanks my pups need a warm house, greg

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Why would anyone buy a questionable product from a small manufacturer that may not be around in 5-years when you can buy a product from a well-known company like Mitsubishi that has a track record worldwide?

    The HP in the link below will heat down to -22F. That should cover most of the winter unless youÂre in Alaska!

    SR

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    i checked out the zuba. i have installed a few mitsubishi no problems excellent units and quiet the acadia is now history in my book and i will start investigating this unit thanks i could have made a huge mistake,

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm not sure if folks are still following this thread, but I figured I'd post my latest experience with the Acadia. I have decided I made the WRONG choice to go with the Acadia. We built our house in the fall of 2008 and paid a premium to upgrade to the Acadia over a standard propane fueled furnace. That Acadia's compressor died in the summer of 2009, after having a switch issue of some sort prior to that. Hallowell replaced that unit and our 2nd unit has died. This time the fan motor went on it. When the service tech went to fix the fan motor, he found the primary compressor starter kit was busted as well. Since the Acadia only has a lowly 5 year parts warranty, I contacted Hallowell asking them to cover the $260 in labor charges, given my disappointing history with the Acadia. Out of 5-6 emails and 3-4 phone calls, I still have no response. Hallowell's products and service have a LONG way to go IMO.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This is really disappointing news. I thought the Acadia might be the answer to my HVAC problems, but it is obviously too risky at this point to even consider.

    I'm building in an area with no natural gas available with Canadian climate.

    I wonder how the 2000+ Acadia units installed for the DOD at Ft. Dix have done? That alone should have been a significant shake-down experiment for the product. Has anyone heard how that experiment worked out?

    Any talk of class-action suits?

    I'm going to look at the Mitsubishi product next, I guess.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What have I dome .In 2008 I spent over 20,000 dollars getting the Acadia heatpump installed.The first year the elec.bills were 3,000 dollars of which hallowell finally after a year and a half paid back a third.In that period they recharged the system and the replaced the whole unit. next winter no problems . Now the compressor is gone and I find out Acadia has downsized th three techs to handle their mounting problems.Isn,t anyone held responsible anymore,or does everyone work for the government?

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hallowell is pretty much out of business, at least for the time being. This is per a recent article in the local newspaper.

    As far as the units at Dix, they have not been working out too well so far.