Relax, Pink Lady.

Tide HE is the best HE detergent you can get. I think the Proctor and Gamble Corporation has enough industrial scientists to make a detergent that works and doesn't harm your washer.

I have been using Sears HE Ultra Laundry detergent with Bleach Alternative for 2 years,ever since we got our Kenmore HE front loader. It is one of the best detergents I have ever used, in any tempurature water, and having the bleach alternative means I do not have to spend the extra money on Clorox 2. I buy the 175 load tub which is usually $19.99 and yes my local Sears also has it in the paint department. Stupid...huh? You'd think they'd sell alot more detergent if the stock was located near the laundry machines....duh.Anyway, for those of you using a bleach alternative in addition to laundry detergent, try it. It is the one with the green lid. if I need regular chlorine bleach I'll use Tide HE.

pink lady, basically you just need to make sure you use something that is low-sudsing AND that you can use enough of to get your clothes clean. Some people successfully use reduced amounts of regular non-HE detergents in the FLs and get clean clothes, but it doesn't work for us - we've got quite dirty clothes (need more cleaning ability) and a water softener (makes more suds).

I can use pretty much any detergent designated with the HE symbol, plus some other ones that I've found to be low-sudsing even though they aren't technically classified as HE detergents.

I've pretty much always been a liquid detergent kind of gal, and when we first got our front loader I used a couple different kind of HE liquids (Wisk, Tide, Purex, etc) and most of them worked okay.

However, about 15 months ago my mom ordered a 5-gallon bucket of Charlie's Soap. It's a very concentrated low-sudsing, good rinsing detergent. I've been using this most of the time since then, and love it. That 5 gallon bucket cost mom about $120 I think, but it's done all of the laundry for my family of 5 (who go thru a LOT of clothes, multiple sport uniforms and practice grungies, plus we live on a farm so some NASTY stuff, lol), my sister's family of 4, and my mom's family of 2 - and it's still at least 1/3 full! The bucket got sent to my house since I go thru the most detergent and had the place to keep it - mom and sis just let me know when they need more and we get it to each other during visits (has worked great even though we live 300 and 1000 miles apart, lol).

Occasionally I add Oxi-clean to my grungy whites and if I've got grass-stained items, and I've gotten to like the Spray N Wash In-laundry stain remover (in a bottle kind of like Clorox 2 liquid) although I just use smaller amounts so it doesn't oversuds.

On some loads where I know I have some greasy-type spots I still grab some liquid HE detergent - lately I've got the All Small n Mighty HE up there because it's been cleaning very well for me and especially since it takes up so little space on my shelf, lol.

I think the Tide HE you've already got is a perfectly fine place to start. I've read somewhere along the line that powdered detergents tend to work better overall, but liquids can work better on greasy things. As time goes by, if you want to try other detergents, just pick up a bottle or box of something as it goes on sale - different detergents really do work differently with various water chemistry and hardness.

Not to discount the vast and wonderful knowledge of many members of this forum, but I'm not one to have a ton of products on my laundry shelf, especially since I'm sure not going to get my hubby or kids to remember what to use when, lol. Some people do have specific combinations they use for whites, darks, delicates, etc. I tend to stick with my Charlie's Soap for most loads, occasionally using a liquid HE detergent, adding Oxi-clean or the spray n wash stuff or very rarely regular bleach as needed.

I'm sorry I can't advise on Borax - I'm not sure I've ever used it, and I know I haven't since I've gotten my front loader.

To help tell if a "regular" detergent is low-sudsing or not, your best chance might be to do a search here on this forum to see if any mention has been made about it being low sudsing or not. You can also take a small amount and add it to water in a sealable container, then shake it up. Compare the amount of suds made to a matching container with the same amount of HE detergent added and shaken. Sometimes it is REALLY obvious with this little "test" whether a detergent is low-sudsing or not!

And, just a note about fabric softener - since I found this forum a couple years ago about the same time I got my HE4T, I've cut down on fabric softener use drastically. For most loads of regular clothes and sheets, I use a solution of about 2/3 white vinegar and 1/3 Downy (or maybe even less Downy). For bath towels and kitchen towels I just use white vinegar instead of fabric softener. This has cut down costs drastically and I've been very happy with how the vinegar works - I'd cut the downy out completely if I didn't like having a bit of the smell on our clothes, lol.

Hope you enjoy your He4T as much as we do - I just tossed in a load of whites (mostly nasty socks, undies, and some really grungy white Ts of the boys) with some Charlie's Soap, bit of Oxi-clean, bit of the Spray n Wash In-laundry stain remover and the Downy/vinegar mixture.

Thank you everyone for your replies.

inmomx3: How much of the Charlies soap do you use per wash? And for your vinegar/downey solution, how much do you use? Do you just put it in the fabric softener section? I wonder if you could pre-mix it and leave it in an old downey bottle. I too love the smell of clothes washed with downey!

Keep in mind that most folks who post here are really into their laundry, the way some folks are into shoes or tools. Keep in mind also that most folks you meet at work or in school or in the mall are washing their clothes in cold (or, at best, warm) water, and you'll see that you can get completely acceptable results without having a shelf full of detergents and mixing additives like a cartoon scientist.

As for borax, I use it in my FriGEmore FL because we have somewhat hard water here. I just use a tablespoon per load and it seems to work fine. I haven't noticed calcium deposits anywhere and my clothes come out soft (I don't use a fabric softener at all). It's cheap enough and not dangerous in the amounts being used, so it's worth a try. Borax has other uses around the house, too, so it's not like buying some and not using it for laundry is a waste.

Ok, I'll freely admit that I'm waaay more interested in laundry than most normal people, but at the same time, I am constantly striving to simplify my regimen because I do more than thirty loads per week. I don't have time for complicated fussiness. I want (need) to just load and go without too much of a decision tree each time.

But being a laundry-nut, I have extremely high standards for what is satisfactorily clean.

I have European (Asko and Miele) machines and I've been frontloadin' for well more a decade.

It took me a while to get used to using the machines and I did have to abandon my long-time fave detergent (ERA) because it was too sudsy and cleaned poorly in my new FL machines. When I started using FL there were no specifically HE detergents available in the US (except for Persil, mail ordered from Miele). OTOH, there were, and still are, several low-sudsing mainstream detergents available at most grocery stores.

I just sorted through the products available, by keeping good records, until I arrived at a product that suited me, my machines, my water, my dirty stuff, and my nose.

And I started with my nose, because I had become accustomed to the sensory pleasure of the "clean" smell of laundry that actually came from the laundry products I used. In fact, that smell is the unwashed-out residues of those products, and because I was used to it, I grieved the loss when I switched to machines that do a much better job of rinsing. Frankly it took me a while to become used to "un-residue perfumed" laundry, but now I love it.

Despite having literally dozens of products (you should see my laundry room shelves!) at my disposal, I routinely use only one name-brand, low-sudsing, non-HE powder, and only 1 - 2 tablespoons per load, at that. I too, live on a farm so sometimes I have serious challenges, and therefore add another tablespoon as a pre-wash on some loads. On occasion I use Shout on particularly troubling problem. That happens about once or twice a month so that's only about every 60 to 120 loads.

I chose my product after testing many, which you may have to do, too, so I wouldn't buy a large quantity of anything to start with.

I rely on warm, hot, to *really* hot water (185 F or more) to get my clothes clean, but I find adding a little STTP - which I buy by mail order- to boost my detergent makes a noticeable difference (see FAQ). I use it for whites, farm clothes, ordinary colored laundry, etc. The only loads where I would never use it are for protein-based fibers, i.e. wool or silk.

Except for unusual situations (like white cottons I'm rehabbing) I do not routinely add bleaching agents. And generally If I want to bleach something I do so ahead of time in a laundry sink as I want to monitor it.

Instead of FS, I use (and only sometimes, at that) an ounce or so of plain vinegar which goes in the FS compartment.

I have no artificial water softeners, and my water is naturally just a tad on the soft side of the scale.

This sounds more complicated than it is, and certainly during the exploratory period you may feel like you're using a lot of products, but once you've sorted that out it's very easy.

No matter which detergent is highly recommended by others, it should only be rated by you, in your water, as that is the critical factor. What works particularly well for me, might be a flop for you. (Which is why I don't tout the specific product I use, other than generic description.) A good place to buy small size samples of a lot of products is actually at a laundromat with vending machines.

The answer to whether your detergent has optical brightening agents is either on the package or on the manufacturer's website or Google for the product's MSDS info.

So, when you read here about these complicated regimens keep in mind that I, a certified (or certifiable?) laundry nut case, wash using only ordinary detergent powder, a little STTP (sodium tripolyphosphate) and vinegar. I rarely bleach but if I do, I use either powdered sodium perborate or Clorox, depending on the challenge, and then usually before the wash.

Since I have an unsually very wide range of laundry challenges, and will wash just about anything in my machines, I have a whole stable of specialty things for silk, wool, leather, high-tech outdoor fabrics, lingerie and assorted stain treaters, softeners, and odd laundry "Wizardry" - everything from club soda to borax to carbon tetrachloride. That's where the complexity of laundro-mania sets in, but you certainly don't need to go there to get clean laundry from your new machine.

If you have already purchased an HE detergent product,. then start there with using only 1/2 to 2/3 of the box-recommnded dose. (Of course the soap manufcaturer wants you to use a lot of product!) If your clothes aren't clean enough with that dosing, boost the dose a bit until they are as clean as you like, or you run into suds problems. If that happens, try another product. Unless your choice has built-in bleaching, you can use almost anything for everything (except wool and silk) for a few loads, as a test.

Learning to use a FL does take some mental flexibility and may seem more complicated than your good 'ole TL, but you've forgotten that learning to use a TL took some trial and error, too. It's not harder, it's just different.

I think some of the HE-confusion comes from the fact that not everybody finds HE detergents the best solution for them. But the "Use Only HE" partisans make it seem like a dangerous heresy to try to use anything else. I'd certainly start with HE products. I would have, had they been available at the time I switched over. And I've tried them as they became available but they don't work as well as what I normally use. If I'd been convinced that I could only use HE products, I would be blaming my machine for poor cleaning, instead of searching until I found the right products. And that's why I keep on posting that there are other, perfectly legitimate, solutions to the detergent question; to help folks on their way to finding their own laundry satifaction.

One final note: I think the essential key to moving through the "experimental phase" as efficiently as possible is to keep a notebook, pen and set of measuring spoons right at your washer. Takes notes on every load (type, soil, detergent dosing, results) and never "eyeball" your detergent, measure it with a measuring spoon. You will arrive at the solution much faster, with far less backtracking, if you can keep track of what worked, and how well, and what didn't.

Face it, this is laundry not rocket science, so it ought to be easy. (However since I have fallen into the laundry-mania, I have kicked myself many times for day-dreaming through my college chemistry courses. Who knew I'd wake up a quarter of century later and actually have a use for all that seemingly tedious info?)

HTH,

Molly~

hi.... i am to receive a new front loader (duet) this morning.... molly, what is the non-he powder that you use? you mention other brands in your post, but not the powder that you use... from your post, i gather you know what clean laundry is!!! thanks!

Hello all,
I would suggest that if you do not find the answers to your questions in the use and care guide with the product to call the manufacture of the appliance. I work in customer service for whirlpool and we recommend HE detergent only for many reasons and not using any additives. This stems from many years of research on the technology behind the non commercial FL washers. If you have a WP call thier customer service center at 800-253-1301.

General rule the softer the water the less detergent needed. Hope this helps.
Jon_M

Just use 1/4 cup of regular soap...Thats works very well!

I've had my Miele for almost a year now. I've yet to use an HE detergent. The Tide HE I bought is still sitting on my shelf unopened. I just used 2 tablespoons of the stuff I had left and never had sudsing issues. My water is about medium hard.

We just bought a Samsung FL machine with the "silvercare" cycle - after researching what Consumer Reports & the EPA had to say - this sanitizes the load in cold water without using any bleach, according to reports. I am doing some research on what laundry products to use and came across this site.

I have about a half tub of Costco's regular detergent that was given recently to me by my niece who bought a top of the line Kenmore FL washer last year and only uses liquid HE detergent now. This machine broke down within a few weeks of use because a small load became off balanced. It took several weeks for them to get a replacement electronic part, so the rest of the family is staying away from this brand.

My sister just bought an LG FL machine and is using HE detergent only. It sounds like, to be safe, that I should only use the He detergent (and liquids aren't as good?), so I guess I will experiment on which brands work best for me and my hard water and give the stuff I have to my daughter. I have never liked Tide products as they tend to wear out clothes if used exclusively, in my experience, but granted this was with a TL machine many years ago.

The only concerns I have are what to use for delicates / natural fabrics like wool & silk, what about adding additives like non-chlorine bleach or Oxy clean or Borax to the wash or Spray 'N Wash products to clothes for stains, are my whites going to look clean without using hot water and adding bleach, and do I need to avoid the Kenmore HE product because it doesn't dissolve well in cold water? I was hoping for some generic/store brand (more economical) that could be purchased locally in some quantity, preferably where I usually shop for food, so I wouldn't need to go looking some place else to keep getting this too often. It is difficult to find the major HE brands at the stores I frequent since I decided to buy the FL machine.

P.S. - Are dryer sheets OK for the dryer that goes with this? What about the dyrer "balls" - do they work? I don't like liquid softeners. I've read about some people using white vinegar to soften. Is this OK to add to the machine? Doesn't it smell? What will void the warrantee?

For Wool and silk, you can use Woolite HE. If you can't find it locally, Henkel (Persil) also makes a product called,"Perwol" that can be found at Vacuum cleaner and Appliance stores that sell Miele brand appliances.

Most new dryer makers don't recommend the use of dryer sheets. They will leave a film that will clog the lint filter or block airflow to the filter. If your new dryer has a moisture sensor, the same film may hinder it's operation by giving it a greasy coating.

Color safe bleach can be poured into the same compartment with the detergent.

You can use Spray and Wash the same way you do now.

mielemile:

Be very careful how you use your words. Not most dryer makers do not recommend against dryers sheets. Infact, most "laudry" appliance manufactures will pack a sample sheet of bouce in the dryers. The "film" you talk about will happen with sheet or rinse added fabric softener. The key here is proper maintanience. Every 6mos to a year you should be cleaning your dryer. Which means, taking off the vent duct or hose and cleaning it or replacing it. Opening up the machine and vaccuming it out and above all, Cleaning the interior with a mild soap and cleaning the visible sensors with white distilled vinegar and washing off the lint screen with dish detergent and a soft brush. I've had my HE3 for 3 yrs now and do this every six months and it operates as good as the day it was delivered and I use Dryer Sheet.

this sanitizes the load in cold water without using any bleach, according to reports

Don't count on this. The studies Samsung used to hype this technology only compared antibacterial properties of a wash in this machine to not washing the clothes at all, instead of to washing in a conventional machine. The closest we've had to a head-to-head is the unscientific CR 'sniff test' comparison. (This doesn't mean that the Samsung is not a good machine, only that you shouldn't count on this extra gimmick to completely replace proven laundry prophylaxis.)

If you must do your laundry in cold water, the best-performing detergent is probably Tide Coldwater, but even with the silver in the machine it will not remove E.Coli from dirty underwear or Staph from kitchen towels.

The best way to get clothing clean in a FL is to wash in the hottest water the fabric can tolerate (preferably heated slowly in the machine by an onboard heater) with a quality powder HE detergent and additives (oxygen bleach or STPP) as appropriate or necessary. Stains can be pretreated if necessary (we like Fels Naptha soap for this.)
The Kenmore HE detergent is very good in most water chemistries, and should dissolve in all but the coldest water. - DR

My recent experience is just as MieleMiele describes.

The lint filter gets clogged within days if softener sheets are used. In addition, the moisture sensor bars become coated and give false signals causing the dryer to end its cycles prematurely.

In addition to all that, the "grille" opening before the lint filter also gets solidly clogged with lint, perhaps due to a sticky residue from the dryer sheets.

We need to clean all with distilled white vinegar every two weeks or less if dryer sheets are used.

I am still trying to break Dear Wife of her Bounce addiction.

Does Gain make an HE detergent? Is Gain any good? I have had so many people tell me the Apple Mango Tango is to die for. Thought I should check here first though! I don't buy anything w/out looking here first. LOL

Gain does make an HE detergent. Scent is not normally an important feature of an HE detergent, since (a) you use so little, and (b) it should all rinse out. (Personally I hate the smell of mangos, which is ironic since we grow them.) - DR

I've used Persil. I've used Country Save. I've used Wisk HE. I've used EcoVantage. I've used Cheer HE. I've used Tide Coldwater. I've used Tide HE.

Out of all of them, I'm sticking with Tide HE. It cleans the best, keeps suds under control, and there's no need for exotic detergent supplements which only serve to drive the cost of laundering upward.

That's my O pinion.

With a FL,can I still use my fabric softener as i did in my old TL?
I just ordered a HE2 from Sears......delivery tomorrow.
Any first instructions that might help get started?
Can I really put a comforter in it?

Depends on your comforter size. The HE2, while bigger than a toploader, is regular frontloader size, The HE2+ is a bit bigger tub size, but the same footprint, and the HE3 and HE4 series are bigger overall. They can swallow comforters for sure.

There is a little drawer with compartments to add your detergent, softener and bleach. You can use the softener you use now. But for detergent, look for brands marked HE (= high efficiency front loader). Tide HE is popular on this forum. Start with just 2-3 tablespoons and check whether there is a lot of sudsing leftover. You may need even less. And if you do use what you have on hand, *definitely* use way, way less.

One more thing, get in a habit of wiping out the rubber door gasket, just reach in that slit opening and swipe up the pooled water with a sock or whatever. And leave the door ajar to dry everything out. Risk a mold problem otherwise.

I have had mine a couple months and love it (HE2+). Once I researched more I kinda wanted the larger with on board heater, but that would have been pricey and not fit in my space well. No regrets now. It cleans really really well - expect brighter whites especially. And bigger loads - I just folded 6 large towels, 7 dish towels, couple t shirts, washcloths and sox. No way the 18 year old GE toploader would take that much in one load.

Hope you are as happy with yours as I am with mine!!

Depends on your comforter size. The HE2 is regular frontloader size, The HE2+ is a bit bigger tub size, but the same footprint, and the HE3 and HE4 series are bigger overall. They can swallow comforters for sure.

There is a little drawer with compartments to put your detergent, softener and bleach. You can use the softener you us now. But for detergent, look for brands marked HE (= high efficiency front loader). Tide HE is popular on this forum. Start with just 2-3 tablespoons and check whether there is a lot of sudsing leftover. You may need even less.

One more thing, get in a habit of wiping out the rubber door gasket, just reach in that slit opening and swipe up the pooled water with a sock or whatever. And leave the door ajar to dry everything out. Risk a mold problem otherwise.

I have had mine a couple months and love it (HE2+). Once I researched more I kinda wanted the larger with on board heater, but that would have been pricey and not fit in my space well. No regrets now. It cleans really really well - expect brighter whites especially. And bigger loads - I just folded 6 large towels, 7 dish towels, couple t shirts, washcloths and sox. No way the 18 year old GE toploader would take that much in one load.

Hope you are as happy with yours as I am with mine!!

Sorry about the double post. Came back to add, Great grammy, that you should watch the installers and make sure they level the machine well. With a level tool. Front to back and side to side. Not eyeball it, or try to rock it and say it is fine.

If you have a level or can borrow one quickly, that would be great. "Not so fast, boys, you are supposed to level it," and hand it to them, LOL. These things spin like you won't believe to wring out the water, and so the machine has to be perfectly level. Oh, and expect shorter dryer times too because of that.

Also be very sure they took out all the transport bolts from the back.

celticmoon: Thanks so much for all of the info. I did
purchase some Tide HE just a few min ago....came home
and here were my answers. Wow! Glad I checked back.
the lady in the store said she uses 2 Tablespoons....and
when I checked the bottle it says to use up to the 1st
rim for med. load....I measured with a tablespoon and water
and it was only half that amt. they recommended,
so I would have really had a lot of soap if I put more than
what you said (2 to 3 TBS)
We don't get too much very dirty anyway.
I am anxious to test it on my Great Grandbabies lothes.
I loved their Dreft as it get stains out and if I could
have afforded it I would have used it for everything.
I am hoping this Tide HE does likewise.
And I did get the HE2Plus.....I forgot to put that on there.
Am anxious to get started on the mountain of clothes I
have dirty after 4 days wait...
thanks again for info..
Great Grammy

Happy to help.

I think you will really like it. I have been "caught up" on laundry ever since it arrived and I plowed (happily and excitedly) though the back log. Now I sometimes I have to wait a day to gather enough for a full dark or light load. That *never* happened before.

Come back and post to say how you like it.

Kenmore HE2 Plus arrived yesterday.....I'm impressed!
We did mountains of clothes that had accumulated since
TL washer went out 4 days ago. After reading many of the
posts, I was a bit nervous! After all...new technology.!
I started my married life 48 years ago with a small
washboard in the tub washing Marine Corp fatigues for a
husband to go to his new job apon release from service....
From the washboard, I was overjoyed with my mother in law's old wringer washer, then, in a few years,went to a
"upscale" model washer and got the Top Loader....Sears of
course! It was used but worked for us and diapers for
2 babies. Well, I now have graduated to the newest technology - the FRONT LOADER....and would you believe????
its the best yet!
I am amazed at how it works. No water leaks and thanks to CelticMoon's instructions on being sure delivery guys leveled it...(they did) it works great. Min. vibration.
It holds so much, uses so little water (I keep thinking it
needs more) and is so quiet! I had expected more noise.

The dryer is louder...its still my old one. I have them in
a laundry room off the kitchen and close to living area....
and over my daughter's room.....she says she can't hear it.
So....for anyone thinking about buying one......GO FOR IT!
I absolutely love it.....and the "airplane taking off" sound is o.k. by me....it assures me its working as most of the time I can't hear it.

And YES!
We stood with flashlight pointed into door to watch it the
first few loads! Ha! We never get too old to learn new things......and enjoy the wonders of the young people's world.
Thanks for information you all provided.
Great Grammy

I am concerned about dark colors in my new Whirlpool Duet FL washer. In my top loading regular machine, I was using Advanced Color-Guard Dark (Cheer) for my darks, and using Tide Coldwater for regular colors. Will the Tide HE (I will start with that since I am a new-be) work in cold water? and will it fade my darks? If so, has anyone used the two products mentioned above without any "damage" to their washer. Reading the fix-it type blogs, they say using anything except the HE detergents will cause a film (= damage) or too much suds (= damage) and could nulify your warranty. Comments? Advise? Please (smile).

I have had my Whirlpool duet pair for about 5 months now. I use ERA. No HE anything. Now that ERA is concentrated I used only about 1/8 of a cup and use water to fill the little cup to the top. I also use vinegar in the fabric softener dispenser to the fill line.
I have no sudsing issues and it cleans my clothes very well. DH is a woodworker and gets filthy. His hobby is fixing up old cars. It still gets all of his clothes as clean as they can be. No detergent is going to get wood stain out of clothes, LOL.

Hi nurserees and welcome!

Yes, Tide of any kind (HE or regular, of any scent or style) will eventually fade dark clothes. But many of us find it to be a very good detergent for lights and whites. And yes, Tide HE, liquid or powder, will dissolve in cold water.

The bloggers do have some broad-brush points about non-HE detergents. One can't go wrong by using just HE and it requires no thinking on your part.

But it's certainly not the only way to go.

Many of us here at the Laundry Room are more "gourmet" about detergents. We take into account the hardness of our water, the amount of soiling on our clothes, and the capacity of our washers.

For darks, many of us use POWDERED Cheer Free & Clear (regular, non-HE) for our colors -- start with 2 Tablespoons (= 1/8 of a cup or a coffee scoop). Depending on the hardness of your water, you might need 3 Tbl. Powdered Cheer is an extremely low-sudsing detergent. The key is to use only as much detergent as needed to get your clothes clean.

I've used it for five years and my FL is going strong and undamaged. Molly, who does a zillion loads a week, and others here have used it for years too.

Yes, the Cheer powder dissolves in cold water. But know that "cold" does not mean straight out of the tap during a Minnesota winter. I know of no detergent, liquid or powder, that cleans well in 45 degree water.

Cheer makes a color-safe liquid HE detergent, but it is WAAAY too smelly for me.

Regarding biofilm -- here in the Laundry Room, we've narrowed it down to three likely causes:
1. Washing exclusively in cold water and never doing hot washes or cleaning cycles.
2. Using too much liquid fabric softener. Either don't use it or use just a little bit and dilute like crazy.
3. Bad engineering -- the early Maytag Neptunes were mold factories.

In addition, using too much liquid detergent per washload may also contribute to biofilm.

Be sure and leave the door of the machine open a crack to dry out between wash days. A moist, sealed environment just invites mold.

Here are a few other related thoughts:

I strongly recommend against using ANY non-HE liquid in a FL because these detergents are very sudsy. There is one exception -- All Free & Clear, though it's made in an HE formulation too.

BTW, some FL owners use POWDERED Tide Coldwater, start with 2-3 Tbl., but this can fade darks.

My husband has bought A HE machine almost a year ago. I recently found out that someone who is living with me has been using a NON HE detergent for over a month. Can this have done any damage to the machine?