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Window replacement

21 years ago

Of all the GardenWeb forums, is this the best one to ask about window replacement (best method, brand, etc.) in a 1910-ish Craftsman home?

As I said, our home is a 1910-ish Craftsman style. However, a porch was enclosed in the 1930s and the windows they put in do not fit at all (grid-style, almost floor to ceiling, on two sides of the room). The rest of the house has push-out casement windows. We thought about having almost all of them replaced, but the cost was extreme (Anderson windows - nearly $40,000). We decided there's actually no reason to replace the rest, but this room has to be changed. First of all, it would fix the "look" of the front of the house, second, it would give us more wall space in the room. Anderson quote us about $10,000 for these two windows, which would require framing etc. to make the walls/exterior higher and the windows smaller than they are now. This still seems pretty pricey to us (but maybe we're just delusional). What do you all think is ballpark "right price" (we're in the SF Bay Area) and also the best way to go about this (assume we're not DIY-ing). Thanks for your help.

It's the window on the bottom right in the picture that's the problem (and one in the same room around the corner.

Here is a link that might be useful: Problem windows

Comments (10)

  • 21 years ago

    Join the club, my 1906 front porch was enclosed in 1925 and the sunroom/porch door was placed off-center from the walk-way. The fixed windows in the sunroom don't match the double hungs on the rest of the house. Think of it as character marks, something you get with an older house.

    Find a local window maker, if one exists, and get an estimate. You might be surprised that they can do it for cheaper and probably better. IMO The window replacement industry is a big scam. I ended up refurbishing all my double-hung and leaded glass windows for about 1/2 the cost of replacements. The windows are the eyes of your house so keep them original if you can and add (wood) storms if you need extra protection.

  • 21 years ago

    Fortunately, we don't need storm windows. We're in the SF Bay Area where "storms" consist of a bunch of rain 5 months of the year, 2 minutes of hail once a year, no snow, and at most, 30-mph winds.

    We will, at your suggestion, contact a local window maker.

    Slightly OT, we have leaded glass windows to the two sides of our front door and in the dining room. Several years ago, a soccer ball smashed one of the windows next to the front door. We contacted a local glass place, and they directed us to a local guy who as a hobby/side business, did leaded glass. He made us a new window to exactly match the other one, did a gorgeous job, at a not inexpensive, but reasonable (considering the options) price. We were thrilled to find someone with the knowledge and talent to do that!

  • 21 years ago

    Seattle, where I live, gets similar weather to SF/Oakland proper. I mentioned storm windows for insulating and protecting older windows during the wetter/colder parts of the year. They're not just for stormy weather:). BTW Seattle gets lots of mist and overcast weather, but rarely hard rains.

  • 21 years ago

    Unearthly gave you earth-bound, practical, and good advice, imo. Anderson used to be one of the better window mfgrs. Now they're fair-to-middlin' quality. Sounds like you have a lovely home. Would love to see the pics, but when I opened the link it wanted a password.

  • 21 years ago

    Druid, I have to look for the link that explains how to post a picture in your message, then I'll do so (might be later tonight).

    Unearthly, I've been in Seattle, I think, 4 times, and it's rained only once. Last summer, we had spectacular weather there (we were there for a soccer match and it couldn't have been nicer).

  • 21 years ago

    FWIW, I've heard the same thing about Andersons as DruidClark. For a house of your vintage, I would look into Marvins. I used Pozzis on all my windows because I wanted a softer profile (1928/29 house), plus Pozzi's price point is slightly lower.

    Your porch work sounds like skilled contractor work if you are talking about reframing. In my house, I had some very funky ill-fitting slider replacement windows that I wanted to replace with the original double-hungs, a few rotted originals, etc. One place wanted to do all *new construction* windows. Another wanted to do restoration and new construction. I was afraid the tear out of new construction could lead to major, major problems if not done right. The third one was the charm. I found a window wholesaler in Emeryville. Sharon worked extensively with me, and referred me to a window contractor (GC who prefers to do windows and only does kitchens and bathrooms and the like during the rainy season) who did a superb job. He knew how to measure and adjust for funky openings. Unfortunately, he doesn't work on your side of the Bay.

    Your window estimate sounds ridiculously high. Was it based on your zip code??? Anything lower than 18" needs tempered glass, as do windows next to doors and showers, but even then...My contractor based his estimate on $60/hr. If you get fewer than five windows, you may have to pay a slight premium because they still have to set up all the equipment for one or for many.

    Definitely, call around. Maybe Anderson didn't want to do your job; hence the $$$$ estimate.

  • 21 years ago

    """"Anything lower than 18" needs tempered glass, as do windows next to doors and showers"""

    As well as doors at bottom of stairs, like on a landing.

  • 21 years ago

    KO, would you mind emailing me (or posting) the name of the window wholesaler in Emeryville (maybe I can talk to them, and then find a contractor on my side of the Bay).

    BTW, Anderson definitely did want our job, they called us 3 or 4 times!

  • 21 years ago

    I've attached a link to a bay-area company that does window restoration, historical reproductions, and replacements.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Wooden Windows of Oakland, CA

  • 21 years ago

    Thanks!