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Gas Pilot Question

17 years ago

Hello - I recently completed a project where I converted my wood burning fireplace to gas, and although I love the ease and beauty, I am questioning whether I made the right decision from a standpoint of inefficiency and safety.

I decided to go with a "standing pilot" as opposed to the elecronic ignition because the company that I purchased the logs and accessories from did not offer a variable flame with the electronic ignition. I wanted the ability to control the heighth of the flame so I had to go with eiether a standing pilot or manually lit pilot.

Now that I've been using this for a few days, I'm not sure I like the idea of the pilot burning all the time (even when I'm not using the fireplace).. Not only does it make a "24-7" subtle noise like a blow torch sound, but now I'm being told by the company that I have to leave the doors of the fireplace open all the time, even when I'm not burning a fire, because the pilot will go out and needs to breathe. I'm also concerned about also wondering if there is any chance of carbon monoxide issues from this set up.

Unless I want to spend alot of rework money in material and labor and trade in my burner equipment and buy the electronic ignition and a new remote, I am forced to stay with what I have. I also realize that I am the one that made this decision because I was insistent on the luxury of a variable flame which again, was not offered with the electronic ignition.

So, are there any compromises or alternatives, you can think of in this case? What is your experience from a plumbing perspective when considering a standing pilot versus electronic ignition.I guess I could always relight the pilot everytime I want to use the fireplace.

Any feedback would be most helpful. Thanks in advance.

Comments (10)

  • 17 years ago

    I don't know that there are any plumbing issues regarding standing pilot vs electronic ignition.

    Pilot lights are designed to shut off if they go out, so that gas doesn't build up. They have a thermocouple that senses that the flame is out and closes the gas valve. I don't understand the "needs to breathe in case the pilot goes out" comment.

    As a compromise, you can shut this off completely during the warmer months and just leave the pilot on during the cold months.

    I'm not a big fan of standing pilots in general. It seems particularly wasteful on something that isn't used often, like a fireplace.

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for your input.

    What I meant by the "need to breathe" comment was that without proper ventilation (such as the doors of the fireplace remaining open), the pilot tends to go out by itself. I still don't really understand why that would be.

    Secondly, I agree with shutting off the pilot during the non-winter months when the fireplace is not being used. But for clarification - are you referring to shutting off the gas completely at the gas line in the basement or just letting the pilot go out and having it shut off thru the thermocouple?

  • 17 years ago

    If the pilot tends to go out with the doors closed, it's because the flame is short on oxygen. Hard for me to imagine your doors are so tight to do that, but anyway, if that is the case, the thermocouple would prevent gas from continuing to flow if it went out. But to be extra safe you could either leave the doors open a crack to keep the pilot running, or get in the habit of turning off the gas to the pilot.

    As for CO2, I would think it's not a problem, since ventless fireplaces are used with the pilot running all the time. My folks have two and use them all winter long, leaving at least the pilot on, and that's in rooms without any vent or chimneys.

  • 17 years ago

    Actually, they have gas ventless heaters (not fireplaces), but the principle is the same.

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks.

    (1)I agree with you about the fireplace doors. They are definitely not so tight that air couldn't get in there. I still can't figure why the manufacturer said that. CYA I guess.

    (2) During the non-winter months, would you suggest shutting the gas off at the main in the basement even though I have a safety feature on the thermocouple?

    (3) Have your parents had any issues with leaving their standing pilots on all year long with their ventless heaters?

  • 17 years ago

    Probably not a good idea to rely on a thermocouple for that, so shut it off somewhere (nearby valve? - or valve in basement otherwise)

    My parents have not had any problems with leaving the pilot on for months at a time. It's off in the summer, otherwise it's on. (they use to turn it on/off years ago, but it got to be a pain for them to relight while holding the primer in for 60 seconds, etc,. Now they just leave it on and deal with the extra gas cost, whatever that is.)

  • 17 years ago

    Have you tried the fireplace forum?

    http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/firepl/

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for your replies. Yes - I did try the fireplace forum and got no replies, so I figured I try plumbing since its really related to gas hookups.

  • 17 years ago

    There will be a shutoff valve on the control body that you can use to turn the entire thing off during the warmer months. It will have something like "Off, Pilot, On" positions marked on it.

    Use that shutoff rather than the thermocouple safety. You don't want to use safety controls as operational controls.

  • 17 years ago

    Agree. Actually, I was just planning on shutting off the gas valve in the basement that the gas line of the fireplace is connected to. That way - no gas can even get to the pilot or burner assembly and its easy to do.