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New Pool in Northern VA

16 years ago

We are looking to build a pool in Loudoun County. We have asked for 3 PBs - NVBlu, Elite Pools(Allergro?) & Pools by Young, to come by with estimates. So afar (4 weeks since the initial call) 2 came back with quotes ranges around 65K-75K for a 18' x 35' pool with a spa. Here are some more details of one of the quotes. I would appreciate any insights or suggestions. What I am looking for are the following:

1) is the pricing within range for the region for this time of the year? how much (%) is up for negotiation?

2) what are necessary vs. nice to have?

3) equipment "watch outs"?

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Items Included in quote:

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Freeform, Gunite upto 500 sf

Plaster - White Marcite

3 Pool Step at shallow end

2 Pool Benches

1 Tanning Ledge

Jandy Pro Edge DEL D.E. Filter

Jandy Pro Edge MHP 1.5 HP Single speed pump

Chlorinator

Laars Heater 400,000 BTU

Pool Cleaner - Polaris 380 Auto Pool with 3/4 HP Booster Pump & Timer

2 Skimmers, plumbed separately with Jandy Valves

2 anti-vortex Main Drains

3 Returns, plumbed with trunk line

1 automatic Cleaner line

Manual Controls

Light-Jandy Digital Color Wheel

Spa size 38 sf (7'circle)

24" Spillway tiled

6 Hydrotherapy Jets

Spa Light-Jandy Digital Color Wheel

Raised beam - Pool 37 LF of 18" high wall & 5 LF of 9" high wall Tumbled Flagstone cap & Single sided stone veneer

Raised beam - Spa 6" above same stone work as above

Concrete decking area 50 sf

concrete riser 12 LF Flagstone tread and rise

Planter area Flagstone tread and rise

Waterline Tiles 6" standard deluxe

Coping 12" Pennsylvania Flagstone - Tumbled edge

Plumbing Schedule 40 Rigid PVC

Electricity Sub panel at filter equipment slab

Installation of underwater pool light

Pump and motor wiring

Structual steel bonding

Light niches and junction boxes

100 (linear feet) conduit/wiring

Maintenance kit 12' pole, brush, net and test kit

1 ee opening/closing

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Items Not Included in quote:

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Gas Hook up

Fencing

Salt System

Wireless remote

Water (Didn't know that pool does not come with water)Solar Cover

Winter Safty Cover

Spa Cover

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Warranty

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Structural warranty Life time

Plumbing Life time

Tile & Coping 2 yr

Chlorine / Salt 2 yr / 3 yr

Plaster / Upgrade 2 yr / 5 yr

Pump - n/a

Heater - n/a


This is our first pool and I am already stressed out after 4 weeks. Thanks in advance for all of your feedback..

Comments (6)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Who is pulling the permits?

    50 sq. ft. of decking? Did you mean 500?

    How big is the tanning ledge and how deep?

    What are the other depths of the pool?

    Skip the color wheeled lights and go LED. They are far more reliable.

    Plumbing with Schedule 40 rigid pipe is good but what size?

    Not all safety covers are the same. Given that you have a raised spa, this will form a tent over the pool. With a solid cover, this will form 2 ponds when it rains that will each need a cover pump to remove the standing water or drain panels. A mesh cover or solid with mesh drains will need a step pump to keep the water off the tile line when rain and snow melt refill the pool. This protects the tile from expanding ice induced cracks and pop offs.

    What size is the filter?

    Is it that all these builders are using Jandy or are you specifying Jandy? What's with the N/A with the warranty?

    An automation and salt system are almost must haves.

    Most equipment makers extend the warranty on all the equipment when it's the same brand. For example, A pump or filter alone may have a 1 year but when purchased with the filter, lights, heater, etc..., it's usually extended to at least three years for all the gear on parts. Most dealers add labor too but not all.

    A 12' pole is a bit short. A 15' pole is a better choice. I didn't see a vacuum head. I have seen builders provide heads meant for liner pools instead of the wheeled rectangular heads that should be used.

    Most test kits from builders are simple pH and OTO chlorine kits or strips. Neither of these will be adequate. To learn about the pool's care needs before you need it will give you a better idea of your needs. The complimentary forum, www.troublefreepools.com has an excellent Pool School section.

    The time of year has little to do with the price. The skill sets of the tradesmen and materials used are bigger factors. Going with the lowest bidders doesn't usually work the way you want it to.

    If it isn't written, it wasn't said. Review all contracts carefully. Checking for reasonable pay schedules, material listing accuracy, liens, etc... are all vitally important. If you aren't good with that, a review with an attorney experienced in construction and such could be money well spent.

    Scott

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Scott, Thank you so much for the feedback. The pool depth is from 3.5 ft to 7 ft. The decking is 500sf (not 50sf, sorry for the typo). I will have to ask for more details on the tanning ledge, pipe sizes and filter sizes. The builder deals with Jandy only I believe. The n/a on the warranty just means it wasn't included in the initial quota they gave me.

    It does feel that the quote includes only the very basic coverage with respect to material and warranty. I will schedule a 3rd meeting with the PBs to see what they can do better. If they start to nickle and dime everything, I may scrap the entire plan. There is too much to worry about and keep track if I cannot trust these people to have my best (or at least partially) interest in mind as well as their profit margin.

    Cascades

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What does it mean to have Returns be plumbed with trunk line? Is this the standard practice? The pool is 550-600 SF surface area.

    Also, what is a cleaner line? is 1 enough?

    Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Quote: "What does it mean to have Returns be plumbed with trunk line? Is this the standard practice?"

    Trunk lines are typically larger, main lines with branches coming off the trunk (there are sometimes also plumbing lines called twigs - tree analogy anyone). I would suggest you ask the PB what it means to him as there really doesn't seem to be a uniform terminology in pools. M guess is he means he will run 2" PVC up to the pool and then step down to 1.5" to go through the pool wall (1.5" is a sort of standard for the return fittings). Some recommend what is called looped return lines - in that case the "trunk extends all around the pool in a loop so all returns see the same pressure.

    Quote: "Also, what is a cleaner line?"

    Again ask. My guess is you are getting a line plumbed for a pressure side pool cleaner. One is enough.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ibriges, thanks for the feedback. I will ask the trunk line question when I meet with the PB next week.

    Now here is a question on equipment pad, in the quote the pad is build on a gravel bed with timber beams. Is that sufficient? I had seen a pad that is made of concrete.

    Thanks. Cascades

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What did you end up doing with the bids? (Our NVBlu build finished last week :) Need to post pics. Anyway I hear you on the stress of getting quotes... we got 5 over the last 2 yrs and it was maddening... but worth it now we are DONE. Keep your eye on the prize!)