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Questions about wood replacement window options

17 years ago

Ive just started to research on replacing the windows in a 1969 colonial. We have wood single pane double-hung windows with a storm window and weÂre in a Washington DC suburb (Montgomery County). I donÂt think I want vinyl on the outside and I havenÂt yet decided on an insert or full replacement. If cost were not a factor, IÂd do full replacement (but it is a factor). Also, from reading the forum, I know a lot of people advocate repairing them but I donÂt think IÂm in favor of that because I donÂt like our current storm window look. I think weÂll go for SDL in whatever new windows we go with.

That said, how often would new wood windows need to be painted on the outside? Is it more often than the rest of the house itself? Would it vary by manufacturer? For example, how often would I need to paint a wood Marvin double hung replacement?

Is aluminum clad ok in the DC area? Last week, I was surprised to see a Washington Post article indicating that aluminum clad windows are not appropriate for DC because of the heat transfer. Is that accurate? Would vinyl or wood be my only appropriate options?

From an energy transfer standpoint, is a new full frame replacement going to make much difference over an insert? We donÂt have a pulley system. Would an energy audit help me determine this? Besides window replacement, I know we have many other less costly opportunities for energy savings so we might do an audit anyway.

What type of difference in install cost should I expect between an insert vs. full replacement? We could decide to do full replacement on the front windows vs. the side / back windows.

Thanks for any info in advance. IÂve been reading posts for a couple of weeks. This forum has lots of great members and it has also sufficiently scared me into doing much more fact finding before proceeding (after seeing many horror story posts).

Comments (4)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    We have had experience with all wood and aluminum clad wood windows.

    Wood window maintenance depends heavily on the "base" coat. If the base coat is done well, maintenance is easy for the next 10 to 20 years. If the base coat is done poorly, problems will occur. For base coat coverage, we take the view of when in doubt, cover everything as long as it does not impact operation.

    If you buy from Marvin windows and you intend to paint them, you can order the windows with factory-applied base-coat to save you work. One then has to assume Marvin will do a good job with the base coat or take full advantage of its warranty. From then on, it is the painting that has to be done well. In general, two coats of good paint is minimal. Every year, check (visually and with fingers) the exposed surfaces and seams and cracks where water could enter for signs of water intrusion under the paint. If there is any hint of problems, don't wait, do what is necessary to fix the paint. If the first several coats of paint are done well, the annual inspection should be as easy as a good close look and finger probes.

    If you find any problems, and it looks like simple sanding and repaint won't work, then make the effort to sand down to first coat of good paint or down to base, do it all over again with full attention to details like that of an old world craftsman. The extra work done right is often good for 10+ years or more.

    Depending on brand and type and color and environmental conditions, one can expect paint to fade within five years or sooner. Whenever fading begins, it is time to repaint. The paint is not just for beauty, it is also protecting the wood underneath so we do it as soon as able. So far, our very old family house (my parents') still sport those old old wood windows.

    In our own home, we have Marvin aluminum clad exterior wood interior dbl-pane, Low-E II windows and doors. We are in CA and just lived through a heat wave (5/16-5/17) where our exposed hillside location got up to 120-F (hot air + reflected heat) for an hour or so on Saturday. We were basking in 105-F heat for hours each day. Our summer highs can easily reach into an average of 90-F with peaks at 105-F. The double-pane low-E II aluminum clad windows and French doors have been able to keep us comfortable. If we do not run the AC, and we can use nighttime cold air to cool the house to near 65-F by sunrise, our house heats up to 85-F by sun down. If we run our AC, the house easily maintains 75-F all day with the AC cycling on for about 30 minutes and off for an hour or so. If the night air manages to cool the house down to 60-F and it remains that way until noon, then the house interior gets no hotter than 75-F by sunset without any AC. THis is with all doors and windows closed of course. Our house also has interior doors so that we can close off sections as we exit or enter during hot days. This lessens the impact of air exchange.

    There is an exterior solar shade to shield windows that receive full late afternoon sun. There is an extendable awning to shield the French doors during hot afternoon suns. When it is at peak highs outside, with our exterior shades down and awning extended, our interior window wood frames is hardly warm while the interior glass pane is slightly warmer to the touch but just barely.

    Hope all this helps.

  • PRO
    17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The idea that aluminum clad is not appropriate for DC climate is bunk. Calbay addressed that.

    No change in energy efficiency between and insert of full frame replacement. Full frame just nets more glass and is a necessity if your frames are beyond re-use or repair.

    I would not want a wood window without a cladding on it unless required to do so by historical documents.

    An energy audit is a great place to start. We recommend them for most customers and credit them back half the cost of the audit if they contract with us to do the repairs.

    An audit is the most comprehensive and realist evaluation of the home.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks for the great insight on going with new wood windows and aluminum clad in DC. Sounds like well go with aluminum clad since the wood ones will be a lot of work over time. I was thinking strongly about wood, in part, because we intend to change the color scheme of the home. Wood would allow us to do that. If we go with aluminum, well have to figure out our color scheme first before we move forward with the windows.

    I'll definitely do the energy audit as well. I see lots of energy audit firms listed on the Resnet and MD energy sites but I know who to pick. I havent yet been able to find any user reviews on firms in this space on a site like Consumers Checkbook. If anyone knows of a site with reviews, please point me in the right direction.

    Thanks for the advice.

  • PRO
    17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    MD Home performance is the certifying body in MD that does most of the training (via BPI) for MD metro area.

    They have a contractor network. Any certified BPI contractor will do fine.

    BPI is more aimed at residential retrofit construction which would be your application.

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