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Emergency design help needed!

16 years ago

I posted previously about the sink base mistake. Since I got such great ideas, I thought I'd start a new thread to get the attention of the design experts. My original plans had a 39" sink base & overhead cabinets and a 30" fridge. Somewhere down the line, the GC changed it to a 36" sink base and a 33" fridge. The sink is 33" and will fit in the 36" base. IÂm posting a version of the layout so you can see how large the fridge looks. ItÂs a small space in a very large room. We didnÂt have the money to replace the floor, walls, move plumbing, etc so we kept the same footprint and are replacing our worn out cabinets, counters and sink. We werenÂt planning on getting a new fridge or dishwasher until we needed them. But cost would not be a hardship at this point if we decide for a new fridge or extra cabinets.

WWYD? Should I get a larger fridge? Should I put this all off until the end of summer to get the 39" cabinets made? Should I work in some tiny pull-outs? I would like a slim cookie sheet rack (lower) and a slim spice rack pull-out (upper), maybe to the right of the sink. Are these components that I can buy myself and have here by early June and have the cabinet maker make panels for to install later? Rev-a-shelf has some Âfiller cabinets.

I really donÂt know much about layout or options. Our space was so small. We worked with a KD and tried all kinds of things and really couldnÂt do much without quadrupling our budget. Our 30" (actually it measure 29") fridge is plenty big. ItÂs only full when weÂre having a party and then there isnÂt much in there most of the time. We will stay here forever most likely, so IÂm not worried about anyone elseÂs needs at this point. It's a top freezer and opens at 90 degress and that works fine too. I can get my crispers out to clean them. The 39" sink base would have held a cookie sheet rack to the right. The uppers will miss one row of glasses now. The perspective picture here doesnÂt show the true cabinet height  its an older picture. We decided to remove the soffit, so we have the tallest cabinets we can fit up there to go to the ceiling. I also had him remove the filler to the left of the cooktop and put in a 33" base with an adjustment to the left door so the handles wouldn't bang the blind cupboard. I need all the space I can get!

I wouldn't mind the larger fridge, but I don't like the idea of losing 3" of counterspace. We'd be losing it to the right of the sink which is where we make coffee and stage food for cooking. It's already cramped there. I can't imagine it smaller.

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Comments (10)

  • 16 years ago

    I'm no designer, but as a customer, I would insist on what you wanted originally.

  • 16 years ago

    Part of what I wanted orginally was a June install. That's not going to happen if I wait for the 39s. I'll have cabinets sitting in my garage until August if I order the new ones. We're trying to make lemonage here.

  • 16 years ago

    Is the 33" a counter-depth model? What about the 30" you prefer? Or, are they built-ins?

  • 16 years ago

    We have a 29" and it's plenty big. We haven't purchased a 33' I would probably get a counter depth, but would miss the 3" of counterspace by the coffee maker. I'd like to try to work in some 3"-4" something (up and down) as a first choice.

  • 16 years ago

    Hmm. I agree that the counter would be more important to me. I also share the feeling of wanting the remodel to be over! But, all there is for a 3" space is 3" pullouts. I personally dislike them for the expense v. feature ratio - around $100 an inch. I also don't care for the way they work.

    This is what I would try for:

    Install everything but the over the ref cab, the final trim and the counter tops. Do hookup the sink and dw. Order a 21" base, a 21" upper and a 30" over-the-ref cab and put down plywood for temporary counters. Wait until that stuff comes in, remove the cabinets being replaced and then install the replacements, finish the trim and the counters.

    You get back in operation sooner and get rid of the contractors for them summer with a fairly short period of down time in the fall to finish.

  • 16 years ago

    I am not an expert but here are a few thoughts.
    Is your current fridge fairly new? If yes, probably will not need to be replaced since you are happy with it's size and performance.
    If no, maybe look around to see what your options are to replace it in the next few years. Fridges seem to be getting larger all the time.
    The 30" space will be limiting. It always good for you to be aware of what is available incase you will need/want to get a new one. A future 30" fridge might be expensive.

    A 3 inch space by the fridge could be used for a folding ladder. And a ladder could be useful if your cabinets go to the ceiling.
    The counter can extend over this 3 inch ladder space if the fridge is not built in. The uppers can be adjusted accordingly.
    Good luck!

  • 16 years ago

    The mystery of the missing 3" is solved. Your blind corner notated on the diagram as being pulled 2 1/4" (really should be 3"). However, if it's a standard 42" BBC, which is usually a 42"/45" it's not being shown as being pulled on your diagram. It's shown as occupying 42" of space. A blind corner base has a minimum and maximum to be pulled. It's going to need to be pulled to 45" to not interfere with your range, but on your diagram, it's shown as flush to the wall. BBC come in 36"/39", 39"/42", and 42"/45" in most lines. If you wanted the cabinet to occupy the 42" space and give you clearance around the range, the choice should have been a 39"/42" BBC pulled to 42". That would have fit your diagram as shown. What you have won't let you open your BBC drawer with your range there.

    That accounts for the 3" for base cabs but not the uppers. They will no longer by symmetrical in matching the lowers. Your 18" wall cabinet on the right will need to be switched to a 21" cabinet, or a 3" filler added between it and the corner cabinet if you want to maintain symmetry between uppers and lowers. That accounts for the 3" in the uppers.

    Really and truly, you need whomever measured this kitchen to come back out and make sure there aren't any other measuring errors to be dealt with in this design. Using the non pulled dimension of the BBC is an amateur mistake and at this point, I wouldn't trust them to have gotten everything else right, including the correct dimensions of the original kitchen. Take your tape measure and measure that NOW! And then measure out your diagram yourself with a tape measure and a pencil on the wall to verify.

  • 16 years ago

    The bottom line in the above lack of coffee a.m. ramble (sorry) is that you will only have room for your 30" fridge with the cabinets you currently have. The 39" sink base would have put short by 6". As it is, you have the saving grace of wanting a 30" fridge, which lets the design group off of the hook (if you let them) for messing up your design----as long as there aren't any other erros.

  • 16 years ago

    Just bumping this so that jem199 has a better chance of seeing livewire's comments.

    Sandy

  • 16 years ago

    Thank you all! We will measure everything tonight if I can muster up the energy after dinner, soccer, etc. DH did some measuring and thinks we have even more inches on the base to deal with. We'll see! I'm very thankful to those who took the time to find the errors while there is still time to make things right.