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Oven/range help!

15 years ago

Hi everyone, this is my first kitchen post though I have stalked you all a while.

I am renovating a classic pre war apartment in new york and we just found out from the board that they limit us to 600CFM for the ventilation. This squashed my dreams for a 48" range with grill!

I have no room for wall ovens so without the 48" I am stuck with just one oven! I cant use an Aga or other small oven as I host Thanksgiving every year, so I need to be able to roast a giant turkey.

My question is, what range would you choose if you could only have one 600 CFM (sniffle)? Do you think I could get away with a 48"? If not, the wolf 36" says it has 5.5 cu feet of oven capacity, can that really hold more than a regular oven and make up for the loss?

Help!

Comments (14)

  • 15 years ago

    Skip the grill and you can go with any 48" range you want. 600 CFMs is more than adequate for most uses.

  • 15 years ago

    I had a similar issue. No room for the double oven (except right next to the fridge, (& that looked really stupid). What we decided to do was two single built in ovens. One in the island, of all places & one along the fridge wall. Bake & broil at the same time? Yup! Large crowds. No problem, bring them on. And cooktop on a separate wall facing the island oven. The fridge side oven now has all usable counter space for baking etc.

    Don't know if this option helps, but good luck.

  • 15 years ago

    WEissman - do you really think you can do a 48" with 600CFM?? I thought there may be building code issues with that?

    celtinNE - thanks! I was thinking about that too, but the only wall I could have ovens in is the same place my 48" would have gone. We thought about doing a 36" cooktop and two single ovens under it, but as they would be 60" total, I wonder if that would look ridiculous. Thoughts?

  • 15 years ago

    I'm not really good at this kitchen design thing. That's why I am here. Others may have a better handle on it than I. But I did have to go with a 36". It's all about compromise, for me at least. Can you post pics of your design? Don't know without seeing it, but if you center the 60" over the 36"? It has possibilities.

  • 15 years ago

    Seriously-is extra oven space in NYC apts a high demand feature?-wouldn't that be a detriment at selling time-to undo that would be a real pain. Can't you cook 2 smaller turkeys at different times-carve the first and keep on platter in frig. For the sake of a once a year event.....

  • 15 years ago

    NYC ovens are infamously used for sweater storage ...

  • 15 years ago

    ok. been to manhattan. seen the prewar kitchens. let's see. 10 foot ceilings. 7 foot wide. 12 foot long. maybe that's too generous. that's 840 cubic feet. some of that will be taken up by cabinets and such. let's see. two walls of 12 foot bases that are 2 foot deep and 3 foot high. that's 144 cubic feet. that leaves maximum 694 cubic feet to ventilate, and we haven't even taken out the uppers or the pantry. a 600 cfm exhaust will exchange that entire room in 69.4 seconds... just over one minute.

    Rachel_NYC... it will be fine regardless of what kind of oven you get because the room is likely small.

    the problem with ventilation occurs when you have vast open areas.

    the most important thing here would be to pay close attention to sones which is a measure of noise produced by the fan because a noisy fan in a small place will prevent you from wanting to use it. this information is buried somewhere in the specs of the fan and is often not readily available.

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks everyone for your responses. Let me clarify, this is a really large L-shaped kitchen for NYC, The main space is 9'x17' with two door ways and a window. 3 usable walls with the following usable measurements (not symetrical due to pillars), 1x 144", 1x84 and 1x90", the last wall is the window and will just have a breakfast bar. There is also a 6'x6' butler pantry tacked on that will be a family computer area that finishes the L-shape.

    My proposed layout is that one of the long walls has a centered sink and the dishwasher and a long run of uppers and lowers with a break over the sink for a valance. Its the main wall you see when you walk in so I like that its clean and open. The apposing wall (90")is where we thought to put the large range in with 18" landing spots to either side and the final wall (90") will hold our 48" fridge, a 15 inch slide out pantry on one side and a 27" lower cabinet with a built in Micro above.
    Was thinking today about putting in a double 27" wall oven with a micro stacked above next to the fridge. How bad would that look? It would make that basically an all appliance wall and there would be no landing spot next to the fridge (though there would be a counter behind you).
    If you made it this far, thank you, and what do you think??

  • 15 years ago

    Thats 1920 cubic feet. And while most NYC apartments have a bigger need for sweater storage than double ovens, this is a 4 bedroom "family size" apartment, so ovens are a big consideration here! I also like to entertain a lot, so Turkey aside, two ovens would be great. I feel like I am always planning my meals around how much oven space I have.

  • 15 years ago

    i don't know the specs for various ranges, but in might depend on how you cook. If you were wok cooking or grilling every night, i think you need full cfm. If not, especially with windows, i think you could skimp?

  • 15 years ago

    The other thing you may want to do is really test how big an oven you need. For example, many french ovens run small, and supposedly the food cooks better ad faster with less airspace. You may want to take a turkey (or a mock up) to the appliance store and see what ovens would i fact work....

  • 15 years ago

    Yes, I think 600 CFMs would be sufficient unless you have all the burners going full blast at the same time which isn't likely. The problem may be finding a 48" hood with only 600 CFMs - I haven't looked lately. Many people in NYC buildings aren't allowed to vent outside, so you're in good shape.

  • 15 years ago

    Experience here: I cook a 22-24 pound turkey every year in the oven in my 30" stove from Sears. No space problems at all-if it fits in my turkey roaster (large), it fits in my oven. That doesn't solve the need to cook other things though. I do the pies on Wed., the turkey on Thurs., and then transport all an hour up the road to my brother's house. Surprisingly, the wait time turns out to be good for the turkey. Mashed potatoes and gravy happen on his stove top (we do outstanding gravy!), and odds and ends go in his oven as necessary.

    That said, I think your idea of a wall with stacked double ovens and a microwave next to a fridge would be fine. I've actually seen pictures of this and was surprised that it did look good. As long as you have a landing spot just behind you, this will work well.

  • 15 years ago

    You can totally do a 42" range with 600 CFM. I'd probably skip the grill...actually, no! Get the grill if you want it! Can you get it configured with the grill in the middle? You aren't sticking it on an island or anything silly like that are you?

    I suspect 600 will be perfectly fine. Maybe get it oversized to improve capture area, make sure it sticks way out (like 27" deep instead of the shallower more common ones). ANd of course, there's Vent-A-Hood who claims their 600 CFM is equivalent to...uh...MORE!