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urgent island overhang support question

14 years ago

I seem to be loaded with urgent questions today...

I had my templating guy come measure my cabinets yesterday. I had asked my countertop guy repeatedly if I need any support for my 12" overhang for my island. My island is 52" x 36" with two 12" overhang on 39" x 24" cabinet base (roughly).

Now the templating guy came and he tells me that I would be safer to get some support. Well, after he saw that I was rather upset that his company did not tell me that , he said, "well, I guess you could do without any support but make sure no one hangs on it or anything..." - after he had seen my little ones running around....

My cabinet does not have any place for me to put corbels without making it look really silly - on one side of the seating part, I have a fake door so putting any corbel on it to meet the countertop will create a gap I can see from the side. Plus it WILL look really weird to have a corbel of some some on a door....

I have been reading what people do to support without using corbels, I see that you use some steel plates or beams inlaid into the cabinet or embeded onto a plywood.

My cabinet is an Ikea frameless cabinet so I won't have any place to inlay steel support into my cabinet. Is my only option to use plywood + steel support?

If then am I supposed to use a plywood as big as what the countertop will be and lay out steel plates going criss cross? What size of steel thickness and length should be effective? How do people deal with plywood + steel underneath the overhang? Paint it? Sand it? Maybe I don't really have an accurate picture of these support system...

If some one could explain to me what I should do, that will be awesome! Thank you so much in advance!

Comments (11)

  • 14 years ago

    My island (8 feet long with overhang of 6 to 13 inches, curved) is supported with three steel flat pieces that run the depth of the island. The plywood was routed to hold them on the underside. It doesn't look pretty from beneath, but unless you're cleaning the floor you don't see it. My cabinet guy didn't think it necessary, but my marble fabricator said yes.

  • 14 years ago

    Here's a link to another thread that may be helpful. If you scroll down you can see some photos of supports that some people use that you can't see unless you look underneath.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Overhang thread

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you everyone!

    ca mom, so do you have the piece of plywood cut JUST the right shape as your stone? If then did you get the exact template from the stone person for a carpenter/cabinet person to do it for you?

    I don't think I will mind having a layer of plywood. It's just finding out how to exactly cut the plywood and having the steel embedded.... an yu tell me how wide and thick the steel pieces are? THank you again!

  • 14 years ago

    Not the best solution; but, assuming you are using 3cm granite, cut the overhang back from 12" to 10" This is about the maximum you can cantilever without any underlying support.

    This is what we did. Its a bit tight, but we have no problems sitting and eating at the counter, and our knees don't hit the cabinets.

  • 14 years ago

    Both our cab and soapstone guys said we would be fine going without a support with a 12 inch over hang.

  • 14 years ago

    I think it can vary with the type of stone. Some is more fragile.

  • 14 years ago

    The plywood is put on before templating and cut to be flush with the cabinets on the side without seating overhang and extending about an inch or two less than you want the overhang on the overhang sides. The templater than measures the plywood and the granite top is made to fit. At least that is how it was done for us.

    Our steel bars are about 2" wide and 1/2" thick.

    The steel bars can't crisscross. There isn't enough thickness of the plywood for that. To support an overhang on two sides, the steel bars could run at angles so that they radiate from the corner opposite the overhangs. Our bars were angled to avoid the prep sink and range top cut outs. Our bars are long enough to run all across the top of the island.

    Our granite has a laminated edge that hides the edge of the plywood. I have friends who don't have a laminated edge who used a piece of molding stained to match their cabinets to cover the plywood edge. The bottom of our plywood is unfinished. I wish I had thought to ask our GC to use one with cherry veneer facing down and stained to match our cabinets. Nobody but me notices it.

  • 14 years ago

    I talked to my templator and he said something along the line of "we did not tell you about the support since we did not see those plastic legs the island is standing on." ?! I thought the overhang support was for the stone not to bend/crack along the overhang area, not to prevent my island from topling over! If that's the issue, we have to get better legs for these IKEA cabinet and anchor those legs down.

    I talked to one of the steel fabricators in town and he can help me to get some steel plates 1/2" thick and 2" wide. I just have to figure out how to anchor these onto the cabinet...

  • 14 years ago

    Oh, thank you, cloud swift for your information. We must have been writing at the same time! How thick is your plywood? how spaced are these bars?

  • 14 years ago

    Glad I read this thread. It reminded me that we are supposed to have 3 steel supports @ our granite overhang (sorry I don't know the overhang dimensions). I did not see any supports underneath so I just called my GC to check on it.

    check out these overhang supports on wholesalehiddenbraces.com, just did a quick search...

    Here is a link that might be useful: hidden brace