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I need lawn renovation help in Zone 7/8

11 years ago

I want to renovate my 24,000 sq ft lawn. The problem is I have every kind of grass seed growing and it looks like a patchwork of KY31 and Bluegrass and everything in between. I don't have any soil issues that I know of and I have a lawn irrigation system. My current lawn gets lush and green with few weeds and mostly sunny BUT its just a giant patchwork of grass. I cant stand it. I'm planning on spraying round up this spring, just not sure when to start. Then scalping the yard and removing all the loose grass, leaving a buzz cut dead lawn. I don't have much Thatch as ive kept up with it in the past. Then I want to slice seed KY Bluegrass over entire lawn and apply a starter fertilizer, probably Scotts from Lowes as its easy to start a new lawn. My biggest question is when to start and where to get the seed. Ive looked at the sites for seed mentioned here but I have no idea what blend to get. My biggest fear is starting the project without the right seed and being able to get it before its all gone and ending up with a mud pit and angry wife after 8 weeks. My wife thinks I'm crazy for wanting to kill the entire lawn since we have thick green grass every year and shes happy with that. I am not crazy nor do I want to grow this lawn of a thousand seed types any longer. Any ideas on time frame, do's and dont's, seed blend or no blend. Any encouragement as its a scary thing to kill a large lawn just to re seed it. Thanks for your time, Long time Lurker Tim

Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago

    I live in the Cincinnati Oh area and I'm not stuck on Bluegrass, I just want the best lawn, deepest green, and thickest in the neighborhood. I thought Bluegrass was the benchmark. I know the KY 31 TTTF is not the blade I want.


  • 11 years ago

    That's odd, I have Cincinnati, OH listed as Zone 6a/6b (you're right on the border).

    Regardless, Ohio is completely compatible with bluegrass if that's what you want. You may or may not.

    Personally, I consider bluegrass to be the grass against which all others are measured--and found deeply wanting. But that's because I'm willing to put in the time and effort to optimize performance. And money, let's not forget the money.

    Bluegrass has absolutely terrible drought resistance, but phenomenal drought tolerance. Or, it wilts quickly and has to be watered, but survives drought very well by going dormant and simply waiting it out.

    It's the most demanding of the northern grasses in terms of feeding, and really objects if you give it less than 4 pounds of nitrogen per thousand square feet per year, delivered just the way it likes it (small amounts in late spring, large amounts in fall).

    In terms of disease and insect resistance, it's about average. However, planted as a single species (a monoculture), any disease it's susceptible to will run rampant. That's why we suggest multiple cultivars with different resistances to counter that. Planting a single cultivar (a monostand) is asking for trouble (but it can be done).

    Properly managed, it's an intense green with blue overtones (mine throws blue topaz highlights in sun that, regrettably, don't photograph at all well), a strong grower, and capable of filling in any holes without much additional encouragement. It feels like carpet underfoot.

    Improperly managed, it's a sickly yellow-green, grows weakly, and gets patchy. Just like any other neglected grass.

    Plantings are slower to develop than other species, and sprout far slower than most others, so you have to keep after the watering on the seed bed for far longer.

    If that's what you want, and you're willing to put in the effort, I'd suggest Midnight II, Prosperity, and Moonlight SLT cultivars for you if you want the darkest colors and excellent performance. Award and Bedazzled are two other suggestions, but the Bedazzled won't be quite as dark a green.

    If the idea is kind of daunting, fescue and ryegrasses are easier to manage but do require occasional overseeding in fall.

  • 11 years ago

    I agree with Morpheus. Wait until late summer/early fall to plant seed. The grass you plant in the spring will not have sufficient roots to survive the summer. Until then you can work on improving your soil. Get a soil test and see what nutrients may be lacking. Anything you can do now to improve your soil will help the grass when you plant in the fall. In the summer you can do the Roundup. You should spray to kill vegetation, then water to try to get weed seeds to sprout and grow, then use Roundup again. All that takes time. That is a large lawn to renovate. Maybe you should focus on doing just one section this year, see how it goes, then do another section in 2016, etc. TTTF is not the same as K31. You can also use the time between now and the fall to research what seed you want. If you just can't wait until fall, laying sod is an option.

  • 11 years ago

    Zone 8 is pretty deep in the south. Must be a typo.

    If you live in Cincy and want the nicest lawn in the neighborhood, listen very carefully to morpheuspa. He never posts pictures of his lawn...but I do. Here's his lawn from several summers ago...


    His is an improved variety of KBG. His basic care is organic fertilizer, deep infrequent watering, and weekly mowing with a robot mower. He does pay very close attention to micronutrients in his soil and gets annual soil tests from Logan Labs (somewhere in Ohio, coincidentally). He seldom uses weed killers, but you may need to if you want to get a jump start on the lawn.

    The best time to seed would be late August for you. If you seed in the spring you will be wasting most of it. If you do seed in the spring, just know in advance that crabgrass also seeds in the spring, so you'll get plenty of that along with the real grass. Crabgrass is a summer annual which loves summer heat and will fill in any thin spots left by your seeding attempts. Also your new seed will not fare well in the heat, so the crabgrass will look for opportunities. That's why the best time to seed is in late August. But if you know all this in advance, you can have your expectations lowered for this season and not go crazy buying stuff to make it better. But if you do it right this year, next year and the following years should be much better.

  • 11 years ago
    When I try to buy seed in late summer. They all say unavailable. Sold out. Leaves me with big Box Brother. I would like to buy it now when I have choices for good seed and spend spring/summer getting lawn ready. I just need some advice on what blends of Kentucky Bluegrass and from where. there's a lot to choose from to make a blend.

    And the zone 7/8 was a typo. I'm in Cincinnati a solid 6a
  • 11 years ago

    If you want to buy the best seed, you need to look for gold tag certified seed. Once you decide on which cultivars you want, you can then search online for vendors who carry that seed. That can be an adventure in itself. You may need to contact the seed producers to see where you can buy the seed. More than likely you will buy the seed online and have it delivered. As for which cultivars, Morpheus gave you some suggestions. I have TTTF, so I don't know a lot about KBG cultivars. I have read that you should select a cultivar from each of three categories: compact, compact midnight, compact america. You can look up NTEP tests for your area to see how particular cultivars tested.

  • 11 years ago
    Any suggestions on where to buy the bluegrass seeds online. I'm thinking I need about 100 lbs at 3lbs per 1000 sq feet.
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