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Marvin Ultimate Clad Double Hung SDL - With or Without Spacer Bar

11 years ago

I am looking to buy the Double Hung, Marvin Ultimate Clad Windows with 7/8" SDL Grills window for the front of my home and then the Integrity Wood Ultrex Windows (no grills) for the sides / back of my home. We live in the North Central region.

After doing a lot of research, I have a question regarding the spacer bar. I have the option to order the Marvin Ultimate Clad Window without the spacer bar to add efficiency. I do read a lot about how the stainless steel spacer bar is not recommended because of condensation and the Marvin / Andersen windows don't have the option of a foam or warm edge spacer bar, however, I cannot seem to find anything about removing it completely and if there was an issue with that (either the look or the performance).

My options to get the energy star ratings would be: 1) Low E2 with Argon without the Spacer Bar - OR - 2) Low E3 with Argon with the spacer bar.

I definitely want my windows to be Energy Star Rated (U-Factor below 30 for this region), however, I am torn on the spacer bar choice as I can't tell if it would bother me aesthetically or if its a no brainer since you get better efficiency.

Any opinions?




Comments (12)

  • 11 years ago

    Where are you located? The clear air space will be more efficient but I think you need to look at both before you decide up or down. I agree with eastbay that based on the operator type, you are much less likely to see it.


  • 11 years ago
    I am located in Kansas City. I am not sure there is a place that has an example of both that I can see locally.
  • 11 years ago

    Most Marvin retailers will have glass package samples or look for a Marvin Window and Door Showplace.


  • 11 years ago

    Yes and at the very least should have a sash both with and without the spacer bar. The showroom I had previously worked in had one upper sash and one lower sash with each type in it for just that purpose.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I'd recommend the spacer. If you are spending the $$$ on the SDL's in the first place, do it right. The drop in efficiency is not that much.

  • 11 years ago
    Homesealed Exteriors - can you explain to me what the purpose of the spacer bar is as it relates to the SDL? I think I'm not quite understanding the purpose which is maybe why I'm questioning having it.
  • 11 years ago

    The purpose of the spacer is to give the affect of an actual "True or Authentic" divided lite and if it is carried off, it can trick even the best. As I said earlier, it is not needed on a Double Hung especially as you seemed concerned about the difference in efficiency. Here in California I advise my clients to almost always pay the minimal up charge for the spacer.


  • 11 years ago

    Here's a photo of a Marvin window with the spacer. Depending on your point of view, I think they would look very odd without a spacer.


  • 11 years ago

    I personally tend to agree with lkbum, without the spacer bar they just don;t look right. Am I right, am I wrong, don't know just my .02 cents.....

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    precisely as eastbay explained. It is for appearance, and I agree with the others that it just doesn't look right without it. You are paying top dollar for a beautiful window and SDL option, this is not the area to skimp IMO, or to trade off for efficiency if that is the main concern.

  • 11 years ago

    We used the same combination of windows in our house, it has worked out quite nicely. The windows look odd without the spacer bar, it is definitely a worthwhile addition and the efficiency cost is pretty minimal. We had no problem hitting better than stretch code energy requirements with these windows. The U factors for the Integrity windows seems to be the same with and without spacer.

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