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Reusing infested soil

11 years ago

Last year, my outdoor container-grown kale suffered from a major whitefly infestation. It got out of control quickly and my efforts to thwart the buggers failed. I ended up ripping out the plants and moving the containers away from the rest of my garden.

I'm wondering if it's safe to re-use the soil and containers this year, and if so, what steps I need to take to make sure it's clean. It's a generic peat-based potting mix plus perlite. (I know folks here don't like re-using peat-based mixes, but I really, REALLY don't want to buy new soil for a host of reasons that I won't get into, so I'm trying to re-use.)
The containers (and soil) have been outdoors through a long freezing Chicago winter. Is there any way those suckers would survive and spring back to life when it warms up? Do I need to bake the soil in the oven or pour boiling water over it or something like that? Or do I just toss it?


Comments (10)

  • 11 years ago

    good question, I wondered something similar about how to sterilize various mixes. I have no answers, but I'd like to know as well...


  • 11 years ago

    In my estimation, the only convincing case to be made for reusing container
    soils is one of economics, and you'll never find me argue against making that
    decision. If you can't afford, you can't afford it. That said and setting economics
    aside, you might decide to reuse soil for reasons other than economical.
    Perhaps the effort involved with acquiring (or making your own) soil is
    something you might not wish to go through or be bothered with.

    In any case, it would be difficult to show that soils in a more advanced
    state of structural collapse can somehow be preferred to a soil that can be
    counted on to maintain its structure for the entire growth cycle. So, if the
    economic aspect is set aside, at some point you must decide that "my used
    soil is good enough" and that you're willing to accept whatever the
    results of that decision are.

    All soils are not created equal. The soils I grow in are usually pine bark
    based & collapse structurally at a much slower rate that peat based soils,
    yet I usually choose to turn them into the garden or give them over to a
    compost pile where they serve a better purpose than as a container soil after a
    year of service. Some plantings (like woody materials and some perennials) do
    pretty well the second year in the same bark-based soil, and with careful
    watering, I'm usually able to get them through a third year w/o root issues.

    Watering habits are an extremely important part of container gardening. Well
    structured soils that drain well are much more forgiving and certainly favor
    success on the part of the more inexperienced gardeners. As soils age, water
    retention increases and growing becomes increasingly difficult. If your (any
    one's) excellence in watering skills allows you to grow in an aging medium, or if
    your decision that "good enough" is good enough for you, then it's
    (your decision) is good enough for me, too.

    The phrases "it works for me" or "I've done it this way for
    years w/o problems" is often offered up as good reason to continue the
    status quo, but there's not much substance there.

    I'm being called away now, but I'll leave with something I offered in reply
    on a recent thread:
    "... First, plants really aren't particular about what soil is made of. As
    long as you're willing to stand over your plant & water every 10 minutes,
    you can grow most plants perfectly well in a bucket of marbles. Mix a little of
    the proper fertilizers in the water & you're good to go. The plant has all
    it needs - water, nutrients, air in the root zone, and something to hold it in
    place. So, if we can grow in marbles, how can a soil fail?

    Our growing skills fail us more often than our soils fail. We often lack the
    experience or knowledge to recognize the shortcomings of our soils and to
    adjust for them. The lower our experience/knowledge levels are, the more nearly
    perfect should be the soils we grow in, but this is a catch 22 situation
    because hidden in the inexperience is the inability to even recognize
    differences between good and bad soil(s).

    Container soils fail when their structure fails. When we select soils with
    components that break down quickly or that are so small they find their way
    into and clog macro-pores, we begin our growing attempts under a handicap. I
    see anecdotes about reusing soils, even recommendations to do it all over these
    forums. I don't argue with the practice, but I (very) rarely do it, even when
    growing flowery annuals, meant only for a single season.

    Soils don't break down at an even rate. If you assign a soil a life of two
    years and imagine that the soil goes from perfect to unusable in that time,
    it's likely it would be fine for the first year, lose about 25% of its
    suitability in the first half of the second year, and lose the other 75% in the
    last half of the second year. This is an approximation & is only meant to
    illustrate the exponential rate at which soils collapse. Soils that are
    suitable for only a growing season show a similar rate of decline, but at an
    accelerated rate. When a used soil is mixed with fresh soil after a growing
    season, the old soil particles are in or about to begin a period of accelerated
    decay. I choose to turn them into the garden or they find their way to a
    compost pile.

    Unless the reasons are economical, I find it difficult to imagine why anyone
    would add garden soils to container soils. It destroys aeration and usually
    causes soils to retain too much water for too long. Sand (unless approaching
    the size of BB's), has the same effect. I don't use compost in soils because of
    the negative effect on aeration/drainage. The small amount of micro-nutrients
    provided by compost can be more efficiently added, organically or
    inorganically, via other vehicles.

    To boil this all down, a container medium fails when the inverse
    relationship between aeration/drainage goes awry. When aeration is reduced,
    soggy soil is the result, and trouble is in the making.

    Al

  • 11 years ago
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    The main reason i always use compost is to prevent root rot. This practice allows you to use soils for as long as 7 years. I have some as old as 12 years. The plant grows like a weed. It's almost in pure compost now. Using compost gives amazing results. I was sold long ago. I usually change my soil every 3 years, but noticed some plants do fine long term. My bigger tropical trees are a pain to change soils, I do them every 7 years. Most are 35 years old. A couple are 39 years old.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If you have a problem with the compost, a alternative would be to use compost
    tea. You get the benefits of compost, without getting the compaction. of actual
    compost. Why I think it is worth it is the large number of beneficial bacteria
    and fungi, they make for a healthy environment. It can't hurt either. I usually
    never have a problem with root rot, but some might benefit. I never get root
    rot, but I do use compost. It also works really well to stop damping off in
    seedlings. Here is a study about cucumbers and root rot. Many other studies around, but
    it shows how many beneficials are in compost. At least consider it for your garden!

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jmy/2013/324570/

    From this study, I thought this chart was interesting they used a number of different composts, and every single one reduced the incidence of root rot compared to the control with no compost. IMHO it's not just root rot, but a number of problems can be prevented with the inclusion of compost. Also noted in the study is extracts didn't fair as well as using compost itself. (not shown in graph).

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jmy/2013/324570/tab8/

    In general I would suggest not keeping soils beyond three years. As far as
    the OP and white flies, not sure if it is cool to reuse? I never dealt with
    them. If they form larvae in the soil, it might be a problem. You could maybe
    buy a few bottles of hydrogen peroxide and dilute 50-50 and drench soil before
    you put plants in. The stuff is cheap! This should kill any eggs or larvae. Works well with fungus
    gnats too.

  • 11 years ago

    The reason many growers here don't like peat-based soils, even when fresh from the bag, is their excess water retention. That problem doesn't get better after a year of additional particulate breakdown, which is to say it's not 'fixable' by adding more fine material like compost which only continues to support or increase excess water retention.

    I fully realize we need to look at issues from more than one perspective, but I argue that from the plant's perspective, it's not a good idea to reuse peat-based soils except perhaps as a small fraction of another soil we're making, and trying to add compost to a soil that already holds too much water in the hope it will make the soil salvable is probably a wasted effort. If the needs of the grower trump the needs of the plant, so be it, but that has no bearing on what offers greater potential for the plant.


    Al

  • 11 years ago
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    But does anyone know, if the op's whiteflies will come back? That was the question, after all.

  • 11 years ago

    Hard to say .......... They over-winter on the leaves of host plants and generally can't survive outdoors in freezing conditions, so it's unlikely the medium itself would be a vector for recurrent infestations.

    Al

  • 11 years ago

    Yes, thank you! I appreciate the info on degradation of peat-based mixes and I am thoroughly aware of those issues (and I think I've read that exact post before from Al?), but my question is about whiteflies and whether they can survive in the soil over winter. Anyone dealt with that before?


  • 11 years ago

    I'm guessing you were probably typing your question about the time I was finishing my last offering, which has some info that addresses the question directly.


    Lol - I have a couple of hundred files with replys to FAQs that I copy/paste in appropriate places - saves a ton of time and mental gymnastics. That's why you often see the same old stuff over & over. If I'd known you've read it, I would have spared you. (Not said with any sarcasm - or meant to come off as biting).



    Al