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Small Tree for Full Sun in Zone 4

11 years ago

My weeping cherry died last summer, and I need to find a replacement tree. I don't want another cherry. I'd like something in the 10-15 foot range. I think a deciduous tree would be better than an evergreen. The area gets full sun, the soil is sandy with about 12 inches of topsoil in the garden and six inches in the surrounding lawn.

What I would really like is a Bloodgood Japanese maple. They're about the only one that is hardy here. I'm concerned that it will be too exposed here, so I'm not sure it will survive. I have one that's doing great in the back of the house, but it's planted right up near the house with woods on the other side about 30 feet away.

I'm also considering a pagoda dogwood, but it's also an understory tree, so I'm not sure if it will do well out there. I'd like something with some character, but not something too strange looking. A crabapple would do well, but they're very common and only really look great when in bloom. I want something that looks good all summer.

Do any of you have a suggestion for something that would look good here?


Comments (13)

  • 11 years ago

    What about a crab-apple with purple leaves?

    By the way your scene would look a lot better if you cut down the tree that is leaning away from the house over there on the left.


  • 11 years ago

    Betula nigra 'Shiloh Splash' - variegated foliage and peeling bark on a small birch tree that likes full sun and is very hardy.

  • 11 years ago
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    I have grown Pagoda dogwood in full sun without problems, though if you choose a variegated variety it might prefer some shade to prevent sunburn. This far north, full sun isn't an issue for regular pagodas and they truly are all season interest, with spring flowers, fruit that slowly changes color over the course of the summer, a tree full of dark berries with bright red stems (and lots of birds) in August, and peachy fall color. Winter branch structure is ornamental as well. Their only drawback to my mind is that the voles like them far too well and eat their roots.

    Look at Emperor I Japanese Maple which tends to have fewer issues with late frosts than Bloodgood since it leafs out later.

  • 11 years ago

    i am in z5 adrian mi .... where is z4 MI????

    so if i understand... that sight is full sun.. south facing .. ???

    ken


  • 11 years ago

    I'm in Alpena. The maps say zone 5 by the lake, but the last two winters have been colder than zone 5. That's how I lost the weeping cherry. The guy who owns the nursery said that a lot of people lost them after the 2013-2014 winter. This year my Seagreen Junipers are very burnt, some look dead. My Chamaecyparis nootkatensis also burned badly that past two winters. So I'm being cautious and buying stuff that's hardy to zone 4.

    Thanks for the suggestions so far. That birch is pretty cool looking, but I have river birch by the big rock in the front yard and it's pretty messy. I'm constantly trimming branches that droop down and cover the rock and get in my way while I'm mowing. Does the variegated variety do the same?

    Do any of you have any experience with paperbark maple? They look intriguing, but from what I've read, they're very slow growing and expensive. I've never seen one for sale around here, but if I ask my nurseryman, he may be able to find one for me.

  • 11 years ago

    I forgot to say that the front lawn is the south side of the house. It's also on a slight slope. The sun beats on it pretty hard.

  • 11 years ago

    The star magnolia is a good suggestion, and also I've had M. 'Leonard Messel' for more than 10 years without any issues with twig dieback or bud/bloom dying. The buds and branching are attractive in winter, and the spring flowers are gorgeous, but they are just sort of background in summer and fall in my garden.

    I have grown Acer griseum for perhaps 4 years and not had any issues with it. I know of one near where I work, a solid zone 5, that is probably 25 feet tall and fairly spectacular. I see this plant as nice but not spectacular in spring and summer and really shining in fall and winter.

  • 11 years ago

    Have you considered Serviceberry or Tree Lilac? China Snow Tree Lilac has attractive bark for winter interest.

  • 11 years ago

    Serviceberry is hardy to Zone 4, and native as far north as Newfoundland. It's gorgeous in the fall, and lovely all year.


  • 11 years ago

    I thought about a magnolia, but I'm not sure it's big enough. I have lots of wild serviceberries behind the house and two of my neighbors have tree lilacs. I'm not crazy about either for this spot, but I'm not sure what a Chinese snow tree lilac is, so I'll check that out.

    I really appreciate all the suggestions you guys are giving me!

  • 11 years ago

    I like the serviceberry, paperbark maple, and pagoda dogwood ideas. all could work, IMO. Also, look at some Korean maples as a sort of poor man's...or cold weather man's Jap. maple. I also like the largish tree leaning away from house. It not only does not detract, IMO, from the overall appearance of things, but is leaning the way you'd want a fairly large tree close to the house to lean, lol!

    +oM

  • 11 years ago

    Yeah, I like the leaning tree too. I have a Korean maple by the big boulder on the right. I am considering it also. I have a pagoda dogwood in the back yard that I like a lot. I was going to try to do something different in this spot. I'm leaning toward the paperbark maple, but I haven't seen a price yet.