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Choosing from yummy pinks

11 years ago
last modified: 11 years ago

The question in my garden is always the same: Design or Collection? I
initially wanted an elegant garden with a limited plant palette, to
show off my design skills. However when confronted with a budget, the
design was limited (I can't spend more on the garden than I did on the
house, can I?).

Then, came roses. I knew I wanted roses
for a number of reasons: sentimentality, fragrance, long bloom season, flower
size, connection to history both local and world, how well they seemed
to perform in my neighbor's gardens, and probably a few other things
I've since forgotten. I really wanted white roses, which were my
favorites in the photos, or deep red/purple roses, which would look
great in my house. But my research and subsequent findings said that
pink was the way to go for heat tolerance and fragrance, particularly
for those quartered cup-shaped roses that unstitch me (and 'Bolero' has been a dud for me). So in my backyard
I planted a number of varieties last year, thinking that I could choose
the best, for that limited palette garden. Yes, in retrospect I realize
I was only trying to fool myself.

The first one I chose was 'Madame Isaac Pereire' for whom I have lusted for years, and failed 3 times for various reasons. Full flowers, wonderful rich head-filling old-rose scent (like Turkish delight!) arching almost climbing branches, to 8 feet tall. Here is one of the first blooms.


But then there is 'Evelyn' whose famous fragrance is heady with the smell of peaches (my favorite tree fruit). Stingy with the flowers, I'm told, and a bit (or more) of a diva, but others have called her a non-stop bloomer. Mine is just planted, and this photo is of the plant at the ABQ rose garden. Long gangly growth from what I hear, but this plant is very compact and bushy.


I
bought a 'Radio Times' rose, even though some have called the growth
gangly and thorny, but a heat tolerant blooming machine. So far the
bloomiest of my new roses, and a strong scent redolent of lemons (one of my favorite things to make desserts with). Lax growth from what I hear, but mine isn't big enough to tell.


I
had heard that 'The Alnwick Rose' aka 'Alnwick Castle' was scented of
raspberries, and tolerated the heat. Indeed it seems to enjoy the heat
this year. To my nose, the fragrance is more raspberry than rose,
reminding me of raspberry jello or my spouse's favorite: raspberry chiffon pie. It is so fragrant that even the buds
are deliciously scented, and open, I can smell a single flower from 5
feet away. Alas, the flower's cup shaped form doesn't last, and the inner petals are too small for my taste, and the branches stark upright.


Many
people have called 'Bishop's Castle' one of their best bloomers in the
heat, and with a fragrance that wafts. Mine just opened and this first whiff has a
fragrance of old rose, dipped in honey, like baklava (which I also love to make). Growth is said to be floppy but vigorous, I think the color is rather ordinary, but it has bloomed in 90 degree heat like this, which is rather impressive.


None of them have shown much disease, but blackspot and rust just don't occur here. But how to choose one for a limited palette design?

Comments (26)

  • 11 years ago

    Beautiful blooms. I admire you for your wish to have an artistic garden of roses, just as I admire Daisy, Pam, Ingrid....and many others on the forums with their botanical vision, but I'm just a plonker. I see them; I like them; I buy them; I plonk them in the ground and hope they like it here. I also tend to stick with roses that do well here without a lot of fuss: Teas, China's and Noisettes, although I do have a few not in those categories. I just like looking at and smelling beautiful, healthy roses, be they single, double, or so smothered in petals you can't count them all. Good luck with your choice of pinks.

  • 11 years ago

    Noseometer,


    Beautiful images. Thank you for the report. I have wondered how Radio Times would fare in the hot and dry. Last year RAdio Times and Harlow Carr were both on my list. I purchased H.C., which has performed well, but I think Radio Times is going back on my list.


    Lynn

  • 11 years ago

    floridarosez9: it's funny after all these years that I just realized that although I admire the limited palette designs in photographs, in real life I find them a bit boring, unless in an industrial setting like a plaza. Go Plonkers!

    Desertgarden: Radio Times is like an Austin version of the HT Tiffany. Similar color, strong fragrance, but old rose form. So far, my biggest "complaint" about Radio Times is that it would rather bloom than grow. No disease so far in my dry climate, and so far not very thorny. No heat or wind damage at all, despite being planted against a south facing wall in desert heat. Try it, and tell me if you like it.


  • 11 years ago

    Lucky you, no BS or rust! David Austins have all been given the heave-ho because of BS. I have Mme Isaac P, and she has done surprisingly well for me. Very few flowers the first year, but bloomed from late winter to mid-summer this year, and then a few spot blooms ever since. She is very gangly though. I've stuck a salvia (Megan's Magic), next to her, to try to disguise this. Hmmm. But then she's planted below my windows, so I mainly look down on her. Love the scent.

    I'll be interested to know what you decide on, and whether you do broaden your palette, and to see pics in the future.

    Trish.

  • 11 years ago

    I can't help; I never could make hard choices with roses, but instead went out and bought a larger property. So this is just to say, thanks for the pictures and the report! N.b. I don't see why design and variety can't co-exist, or does "design" carry with it an implication of simplification and streamlining? Or is it a question of the dimensions of your garden?

    I see you give your zone; there being considerable climate variability even in one zone, it would be helpful if you also listed your location.

  • 11 years ago

    Why not keep all of them? I would simply separate the lilac pinks from the apricot pinks.

    Daisy

  • 11 years ago
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    Trish: No rust or black spot, but we certainly have mildew! Also, the trade-off for not having humidity is that we don't have much water in general. Boo. And we have intense high altitude sunlight to fry your petals and leaves off. I hope you like your Madame Isaac. I love that gangly look, but I know it's not for everyone. I think I may end up having a collection of pinks/whites as my compromise on a limited palette (ah, but what to do with 'Falstaff'?). I'll try to update in time.

    Melissa: It's not that you can't design a complex plant palette garden. The reason for a simple plant palette is that my house is rather "modern" and a busy garden style doesn't really go with the house or interior. Also, when I got my master's in Landscape Architecture, "limited plant palette" was drilled into my head over and over. The third reason for a limited palette is that it would make maintenance easier, given my hectic schedule. All are things that could be argued against, though. P.S. the "ABQ" following my name is shorthand for "Albuquerque, NM" land of variability.

    Daisy: I'll probably will keep all of them after all. I'm discovering that with roses, with a larger variety, there is more often something to look at to distract me from the things that aren't looking so good. Also, there is such a variety of fragrances. Roses are such variable things, and one's strength may be another's weakness. In a garden of variety, one can compensate for the other. I.e. I like Alnwick's fragrance the best although it isn't classic rose, the repeat isn't great, and I like the flower color, flower form, and bush form the least. I'm hoping that Bishop's Castle will have better flower color and form, and better bush form than Alnwick, better repeat, even if I don't like the fragrance as much.

  • 11 years ago

    You might want to try Lady Alexandra of Kent. A constant bloomer in heat and just huge and beautiful! Pretty Jessica also performs in heat and has an upright growth. Beautiful cupped blooms.

    So far, in my heat, Alnwick rose has not performed well. Flowers are tiny and fry. She is a baby so I am giving her some room to grow and see if that will help to improve things. I will keep some others you mention in mind if I decide to remove some of the new roses that are not performing well this year.

  • 11 years ago

    mustbnuts: once the temperatures got into the upper 90's-100's, my Alnwick rose flowers only lasted a day or two before frying, although growth is strong. Bishop's Castle has kept on, although flowers are bleaching out after a couple of days, then crispy edges. New growth begins before the flowers fade. I also discovered it has a wafting quality to the scent, even though it is not strong close up. Radio Times has stopped blooming or growing. Madame Isaac Pereire has decided it is her time to shine and has opened a number of flowers and put out some vigorous growth.

    I plan to try Princess Alexandra of Kent next year as you suggest. I've heard such good things about her!


  • 11 years ago

    Nose, here is a picture of P of K to tempt you further for next year


    Here is Pretty Jessica


  • 11 years ago
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    Noseometer,

    I definitely can relate to the consistency you want to create between your modern home, and the design elements stressed there, to be continued in the outdoor areas. Recently, I saw a olive green colored modern home with a dark trim, that had a landscape consisting of light colored grasses, medium pink roses, and dark burgundy shrubs. I do not remember the tree choices, but the landscape was definitely simple, dramatic, very visually interesting, and appealing.

    mustbnuts,

    Your Pretty Jessica and PAoK are gorgeous!! My P.J. is growing soooo very slowly in its little pot. I am going to plant it during the Fall. Hopefully then it will take off.

    Lynn

  • 11 years ago

    Noseometer,
    Your weather is very similar to ours. In fact, I follow ABQ's temps on weather.com along with Boise's, and you'd be surprised at how often the temps match or nearly match. It's very dry here, too; semi-arid desert. I love my PAOK, but heatwise, she's not quite up there with some, but still very good. My winners, which I just posted on a Rose Forum thread are Ascot, Love Song, PAOK, Brother Cadfael, Easy Does It, and of course, the best, Julia Child. Eglantyne is awful in the heat, but until heat arrives in force, it's a delectible pink, as is Dainty Bess. Good luck with new choices for your heat. Diane

    Brother Cadfael, scent is one of the best
    PAOK
    Eglantyne, not so good in the heat, but what a delicious pink and scent
    Dainty Bess--it's worth it to just have these delicate blooms for a while.
    Augusta Luise, pretty good in the heat, but so unique.
    Diane


  • 11 years ago

    Nana, my Brother Cadfael fries in the heat. Your's looks great. I have him in partial shade in the afternoon and he is doing better but not great. Plant is vigorous but the flowers fry. I just love the flower form and the scent is to die for. Plus he is so easy to grow on his own root. He is one of my favorites. I will never be without him.


  • 11 years ago

    But I don't think it would be a busy garden if you used all of them. I think of a busy garden as lots of strong colors all at once. (I have a busy garden).

    I don't know how Mary Rose is in your zone, the bush has a nice shape to it and it's one of my best bloomers.

  • 11 years ago

    I have a busy garden in some areas and not so much in a border devoted to pink and white. Personally, wines and purples are among my favorites. Diane

    Munstead Wood, rapidly becoming a favorite
    Ascot, a favorite

    Twilight Zone

    The Prince, glowering in his darkest mood.
    Purple Rain

    Sorry for going off topic. Love the pinks, yellows, apricots, wines, purples, etc,etc.

    Diane

  • 11 years ago

    Diane, I love my Munstead too! He is just wonderful. When people ask me about my yard and I show them the picture that has Munstead. They are amazed. All of your dark purples are just stunning! I love how the colors change on Mustead depending on the weather and the time of day. I took an evening walk and my flowers were just glowing. I had to get a picture.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, Mustbe. I agree the MW does go through many permutations of color. I like your long view of MW above. And the lovely blues that are in your border. There is just something about the purples and wines...mystery, uniqueness, and some surprise when people see that roses are not just pretty things. They are deep and bold, too. As to my Brother Cadfael...the heat is finally getting to him, but it's been a good run. It will be 108 degrees this Saturday, so I forgive any rose that wants to shut down. I do, too. Diane

    A bit of Munstead, blue flax, and valerian
    Diane


  • 11 years ago
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    Oh, Diane, they are beautiful, but what about the fragrance?? I love the fragrance of some of the deep red and/or purple roses. Ebb Tide and Young Lycidas are two of my favorites! Munstead Wood also has a very nice fragrance.

    I only hope that someday, my MW's look like yours! With our move, all of my roses have had not so great of a start this season.


    mustbnuts, you have made your walkway/entry so pretty and inviting.

    Lynn

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, Lynn, I do love them. In addition to ET, YL and MW, The Prince has a lovely scent. Twilight Zone's is a light scent, and Ascot has little scent. Lavenders fare worse. The only mauve-lavender rose I grow that's scented is Angel Face. That's the big drawback of Love Song--here it doesn't have much scent and it looks like it should. Same with Ascot. Diane


  • 11 years ago

    Noseometer & nanadoll27 I recently found a Kordes Parfuma series "Dark Desire" rose that has been doing great in our mid-nineties heatwave, Atlanta zone 7B..despite having been rescued from Lowes distressed plant section for 1/2 off.. It is a deep purple-red, with strong damask scent and great disease resistance, and recently won the ADR award. I will try to figure out how to post a picture...Zephirine Drouhin is a purple-ish pink with very strong old rose fragrance, thornless, and shade tolerant so it doesn't fry......a climber that goes to 10 feet high and 6ft wide.....A Bourbon hybrid from the late 1800's... Melissa, I was in Northern Italy last summer visiting relatives for a family reunion....And lived in Santa Fe, near Albuquerque, for almost 7 years until I was too dessicated by desert....

  • 11 years ago

    Diane really love those colors!

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, altorama. Ebb Tide thanks you, too. Diane


    noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) thanked nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
  • 11 years ago

    Love Song was hybridized by Carruth, and I think it's going to bloom like another Julia Child, plus have the same lovely growth habit. The blooms are large and continuous. Diane

    Love song
    Diane


    noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) thanked nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
  • 11 years ago

    Gorgeous Diane!


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