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Custom cabinet did not meet expectations!

11 years ago

Not sure what to do here. We selected Brookhaven for our kitchen cabinets. After work started, we decided to build a "touch down zone" for charging, papers, backpacks, etc. Our contractor told us about a guy who made custom cabinets so we showed him what we wanted and he said he could replicate the Brookhaven cabinets.


Fast forward 6 weeks and the cabinet is installed. First thing I notice is that the color does not match even though we gave him a door and asked for a color match. Second problem is that the lacquer is semi gloss and our cabinets our matte. List goes on....stain and lacquer aren't evenly applied in places, one shelf warps, cabinet door does not rest correctly.

When I first saw it, the color looked off and he encouraged me to see it installed because he couldn't change the finish at this point. He said our options are to have him rebuild it (but he noted the lacquer will never match - never said that before!), throw it in the dumpster (yikes! cherry!) or paint it (no way. specified cherry for a reason).

At this point, I'd rather cut my loses and just order it through BH and demand our money back. I'm not confident he could rebuild it and make it a solid match to what we have from BH.

What do you think my options are? He built it with cherry as asked and with slow close drawers and doors. The size is correct but the finish work is unacceptable. I want my money back but how do I go about that? It's a custom piece so there is obviously a materials cost associated with it. I feel bad about making him eat the cost of the materials but should I? Should I meet him halfway? But then I'm out a lot of $ and have nothing to show for it! Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

Comments (12)

  • 11 years ago

    Post photos here to illustrate the things you're unhappy with.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    He knew he had to match color and finish. Don't pay. Make him go forward if he wants to try to collect. Distasteful and stressful, but fair. Let your contractor know too that he referred you to an idiot. cpartist may be right to get your contractor in on it if he had any involvement beyond just giving you a name and number.

    Order from Brookhaven. Paying for that may increase your resolve not to pay the cabinet cheat.

    And don't let the cabinet maker try again! He's told you (finally) that he can't do it!

    hazelwags thanked 12crumbles
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Just a thought Other options:

    Order stain from Brookhaven, you can easily get a quart. A few colors that are two step finishes, like cognac, are tricky and should be practiced first. That's what I'd have done to begin with. (actually did that when I did mine)

    If you have frameless? Depending on configuration you can order finished doors and drawers from BH. Exposed sides would require some thought.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I'm with 12crumbles. Matching cabinets is in the advanced class. He's got to pay some tuition.

    I've worked in cabinet shops. There is the mill where parts are cut; builders, and finishers. They are separate trades. A finisher doesn't mill. A builder doesn't finish.

  • 11 years ago

    If you order the stain per MarkJames suggestion, do you trust this cabinet maker to apply it correctly? Or your GC/cabinet marker should pay for a skilled person with stains to give it a go. You shouldn't have to pay for extra labor or for the stain.

  • 11 years ago

    First off you said it's cherry. Cherry reacts more to light and environment than most any other wood. It will also take stain differently. So even if you were to buy the exact same cabinet from the company that built your cabinets at a future date it would be extremely rare to get a perfect match.

    Secondly, professional factory finishes are not just stain and topcoat in many case. They are a mix of dyes, sealers toners glazes, topcoats etc. It's like trying to get a salon look for your hair color out of a box. So you would need to know finishing schedule (order of how things are applied) and also the age of the wood and how it was stored etc.

    We plan to use a mix of Kraftmaid and Ikea for our kitchen. Because I'm using natural hickory matching won't be a big issue when we have our doors and end panels built for the Ikea part. But knowing what I know about the process I don't expect a perfect "finish" match even thought it's basically just clear coat. That's why the Ikea will not be directly adjacent to the Kraftmaid.


  • PRO
    11 years ago

    You may get a matching quart of stain, but you're not going to get a million-dollar finishing room with climate and contamination control, explosion-proof fixtures, calibrated spray guns, etc.

  • 11 years ago

    Watchmelol and Joseph Corlett are giving very knowledgeable advice. You are not going to get a match. The best you can do is bite the bullet and order from BH. For the reasons watchmelol gives, even the BH is unlikely to be a perfect match, but it will still look like it belongs.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I try to discourage homemade matching to professional finishes. Even with the company supplied stain, it can be tricky. This isn't to gouge anyone into buying expensive pieces only from me. It's to ensure that they are satisfied with the result. If you have the same high expectation of fit and finish, and it all looking seamless, the best bet is to keep to the same manufacturer. That manufacturer could be a skilled local cabinet maker or a well known factory line. Just don't mix them when you're trying to match

    Now if you are doing a totally different door and finish, sure, go ahead. The separate furniture piece look doesn't rely on you matching anything but quality levels.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks for all the comments. Wish I'd heard/known all this before instead of believing him when he said he'd get us an almost exact match. Expensive and stressful lesson learned.

    Contractor isn't proving very helpful and the person that built the cabinet is shocked we do not agree that the cabinet is, as he says, "a 9 out of 10 match". Feeling very frustrated. We do not trust him to finish another one properly and, due to the exposed parts, can't figure out how just ordering doors from BH will work. (Wish it would!) Waiting for the person who built it to get back to me. He feels he should be compensated some for his materials and labor. Suggestions on how to handle that discussion? I hate talking money and demanding money back when not satisfied.

  • PRO
    11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    hazelwags:

    In the store fixture manufacturing business, the architect specifies a finish, the cabinet shop does a sample, the architect approves, and as long as the delivered fixture matches the sample, the store has to accept it.

    I built and finished an oak window seat many years ago. Made a sample and had the lady SIGN THE BACK OF THE SAMPLE. When the seat was finished, she was in tears that it was "too dark". Her own written approval of the sample meant nothing. She wanted me to strip and start over for no additional money; I told her where to put her window seat. Best $700.00 I ever lost.

    This is not an alternator in a truck. It's art and therefore subjective and dangerous for small businesspersons. It's his turn. Life ain't fair.