I know youre right on the family name lol. But what i wanted to tell you is that sempervivums dont even make good INDOOR plants let alone in a terrarium. Echeverias require a ton of sun too but you could POSSIBLY get away with it in a South UNOBSTRUCTED window, but NOT in a terrarium. It will hold too much moisture. Succulents rot from too much moisture. Pick a tropical plant for a terrarium that'll thrive from humidity and such. NOT a succulent. They require EXCELLENT DRAINAGE AND HATE HUMIDITY. not trying to be mean or anything but youll kill them QUICK in there

Lilbit is right. Succulents have no place in a terrarium. Another thing, they are only easy to care for if you know what you are doing, and yes, the Sempervivum you have is not a houseplant. Succulents need as much sun and as little water as you can give them. Sorry to sound so negative, but best to start out with accurate information.

Christopher

I think the bottom is E. Lilacina. Elegans has more of a scoop edge.

Thanks for the info LilBit and Christopher. You guys definitely didn't come off as negative, just informative. I am quite new to this so it was nice to get that information. I will look into how best to plant my Sempervivum outside and do so as soon as I can. I will likely do the same for my Echeveria as well, but in a way that I can bring it inside during winter should it get too cold. Also thank you Joycentric, I did a search for Echeveria Lilacina on google image and the results look much closer to my plant than Elegans did.

As for the terrarium, just for verification, would even using a wide mouth vessel, like some fish bowls for example, be bad for most or all succulents? I have come across a handful of sites with instructions on using vessels like that with cactus and succulent soil mix, and pea gravel to make terrariums for succulents. Terrarium probably isn't the best word for this as terrarium does imply an enclosed/sealed environment which would create a lot of humidity.

If such a 'terrarium' would work for some succulents and not others could you recommend some I should keep an eye out for? Also since I clearly don't know what I am doing is their any more advice you can give me in caring for these succulents, and other in the future, so that I can avoid killing them to the best of my ability. I my be clueless now but hopefully with some time, practice, and research I can become more knowledgeable in caring for succulents.

Yes, a Sempervivum clone. Needs to be outside in the ground or a bigger weldrained pot (outside). The Echeveria could be a lilicene. Here (in the Netherlands) they do better if they have a light place, but not the whole day sun. I shade them a bit.

Harry

I pretty much have tossed the terrarium idea out the window already. I only mentioned it a second time to better explain the sort of terrarium set up I had in mind, as I wasn't quite sure if that kind of set up was what came to mind when I first mentioned it. As for the 'Cebenese' it's possible, but inconclusive from the photos I saw on a google search. I might need to wait a while to get more exact than Sempervivum arachnoideum. Though considering I got it on Sunday knowing nothing about it, and it not being labeled, I'm happy with having narrowed it down to some type of Sempervivum arachnoideum.

With some luck I can get a more solid confirmation on my Echeveria, though I am leaning toward it being a Lilacina. Only hesitance there is some images of Lilacina I have seen seem to be solid white in color. Mine is more green with a silvery coating on it and the edges show the barest hint of a reddish hue. You can sort of see that red hue in my pictures, but it is more noticeable in person.

That said the confirmation that temperature wise the Sempervivum should survive outside all year is great. With the possibility of the Echeveria doing the same is complenty outstanding, but I'm still likely to have it in a pot which can be easily brought inside just incase. What worries me is that as of late I have been getting slammed with thunderstorms which would undoubtedly kill my new succulents if they were outside. I will need to devise a way to shelter them, or have them planted in such a way I can quickly bring them in as necessary to prevent storm/rain damage.

Quite preferably both seeing as lately I have gotten 2-3 thunderstorms in a day for a few days in a row. One of the challenges of living in East Tennessee is never knowing what the weather will be like at any given moment. Any suggestions on how to best protect them from rain and storms without simply bringing them inside? Would love for them to have a decent chance of survival should I be away from home when any storms roll in. Worse case scenario and they do die I still plan to get more, even if the survive as well. As I have done more research and see all the different varieties of succulents out there I am getting ever more hooked. All the unexpected colors and shapes they come in are simply breath taking.

Jeremy, without the exact name from the (professional) grower it is hardly not possible to know the name of the Semp. There is hardly no plant to find that is not hybridized. Here in my country and surrounding countries like Belgium, France and Germany there are about 4000 hybrids in commerce. Some say even more.

I am quite sure your (nice!!) Semp is a hybrid with arachnodeum in it and something else.

greets

Harry

Semps are very hardy and most of them will survive winter in z3. Monrovia rates Cebenese z4 to z9; Altman z5.

They
will not survive for too long - as most all perennials/hardy plants -
if planted in wet spots. They grow in containers outdoors very well, but
good drainage is as important.I can't bring all succulents
indoors in case of storm. I keep them all on shelves (3 rows) next to a
garage wall. I have a make-shift 'rain cover' - a plastic sheet, stapled
to a 14' long 2x3 about 20" (?) above the top shelve. I just drop it
down if lots of rain, roll it up if not in use and secure with bungee
cord. It was raining overnight, but they were not covered at all. There are no sides to it, so it never becomes humid/stuffy and extremely hot for plants. I had it on for 3 days recently, since we had many storms and very heavy rain and wind.

Maybe one day I'll have nice garden house like Harry!...(Hope your trip was lots of fun Harry!)

Rina

Rina: it was absolutely marvelous!!!

What a nice, light and friendly city!!

We did all the highlights including a "Hoempapa-for the tourist: Mozart and Strauss-evening"

You recognise this ofcours:

hablu, I also heard/read the Sempervivum arachnoideum commonly seen at retail stores are hybrids. Supposedly the genuine S. arachnoideum is smaller. I had a smaller one from Mesa Garden in New Mexico. It was much more tolerant of excess moisture but the place I put it outside was still too cold and wet during the winter.

Jeremy, do you have a porch with a roof? There might be a place on the porch that doesn't get a lot of rain and has direct sunlight for at least part of the day.

I have a Lilacina and it also had reddish pinkish edges when I left it in the sun. I find their color more of a light light light lavender.

Thanks a lot Rina. I might give a similar arrangement a try, especially if I wind up getting a lot more succulents in the near future. For now I might see about putting them on my porch, faces the south and gets plenty of sunlight though some spots get shaded as well. Would make it easy to bring these little guys in from the rain as I spend most of the time, for now, at home while I wait for college to start back up in late August. By then I should be able to have a more permanent arrangement for them.

Now on to the talk of hybrids I stumbled upon some images of an E. Lilacina x Deresina hybrid when I was looking to see what a E. Lilacina in bloom looks like, very pretty but I think I like the bloom of Sempervivum arachnoideum better. My Echeveria looked fairly similar to a handful of them, though not all especially when I did a google image search of the hybrid, any thoughts of the likelihood of it being a Lilacina x Deresina hybrid from the images I have above?

Now on a side note. Harry that trip sounds amazing. Anything Mozart or Strauss is something to pique my interest. I may not be the best musician ever but I have been playing viola since I was 12 and violin since I was 13. Schönbrunn Palace, Vienna in general, would be a place I would love to visit. Though to be honest I could make a travel bucket list and 85-90% of it would be places in Europe.

Sempervivums are monocarpic - once they bloom, the blooming rosette will die after. But that's why they make so many chicks - to replace blooming plants.

Another thing to remember - if plants are kept indoors or shaded spot, they need to be introduced to full sun gradually.