So pretty! I have a similar one but something happened and then I repotted it and now the leaves are soft. I think it's getting better but I can't tell if it needs more or less water... as usual.

Can't help you Doc. but they are beautiful. Well worth growing in any garden.

Stush

Thanks Stan. The second one has flower spikes not they will help ID the plant.

Please let us know if Altman's has an answer for you. If not, we'll make up a name for you ;-)

I like "Bikedoc's Wife" for the pink frilly one.

If we're dreaming up names, I think we could get a bit more creative than that, Julie. Lol.

whats puzzling for me is my contact person at Altman's is pretty good at returning my emails. Maybe she's on holiday????

Looks like the frill of a woman's skirt. There's gotta be a name in there somewhere. ez

That name would be 'Petticoat' or 'Crinoline', breathnez, but I doubt either of these hybrids is the correct identification. Both of these beautiful plants look like Dick Wright hybrids from the Eighties. They have been in the trade for over thirty years now, and many are sold without proper identification (always a problem with Altman's).

The first unknown may be 'Mahogany', but both 'Arlie Wright' and 'Alta May' are strong possibilities. There are several dark colored hybrids with variable degrees of crenelated leaf margins. The second plant could be 'Mauna Loa', or another crenelated Wright hybrid. There is no way to be certain. Wright liked to give his hybrids fanciful descriptive names, or name them for family members, and volcanoes. Many of his hybrids show carunculations like Etna, which are love them or hate them features.

Identification without provenance (a reliable tag) is almost impossible because the extremely variable appearance of these plants. Color, saturation, and the degree of crenelation and/or carunculations depends on the amount of sunlight, season, temperature, and the age and size of the plant. Lots of growers just make up their own names for hybrid Echeverias, adding to the confusion. I've sort of lost interest in trying to positively identify my many hybrid Echeveria, and just revel in their beauty.

Brad

Wow! Thanks for sharing those photos. I couldn't find much on her site from my ipad. Glad to hear Bev Spiller is OK. Is that 'Etna' exploding in the background of your 1st and 3rd unknown? Talking Echeverias with you has indeed been a joy.

Brad

Brad, these are surrounding the plants you question:

1. Echeveria 'Dragonas', 2. Echeveria 'Etna' 3. Echeveria'Culibra',

4. Echeveria 'Barbillion'

To the right of the dark plant is questionably Echeveria gibbiflora hybrid.

This is one of several Echeveria 'Etna'. It is interesting how they seem to grow a little bit different even though they are all in the same area.

Oh, I am super jealous. You have a great foursome of carunculated echies. Etna is extremley variable, and in my experience, more sunlight leads to more carunculations. There is also a dramatic effect if season/temperature on color. I have quite a few copies of Etna, and they all look a little different.

I ended a three-four year experiment testing how long a stalk could grow early this Spring with the fourth or fifth beheadings of my oldest plants. The answer is at least three feet, and not in a straight line. Considerable ballast is needed to keep pots from tipping over with massively heavy rosettes,

I've never seen Dragonas, and Barbillion and Culibra are very rare. Thanks for showing those and where the heck did you find them?

I have established a very wonderful relationship with the owner/grower at Succulent Gardening, Tina. She has some of these available. She used to have Dragonas but looks like she is sold out. I have also purchased directly from "The Man", Mr. Clarence 'Dick' Wright himself.

Succulent Gardening