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Please HELP: Nightmare Bookcase-Stain Project

11 years ago

Hi we installed a bookcase that was custom made and unfinished. I
got a quote from a pro that I felt was very high for finishing it
(almost cost of bookcase) and so I decided to do it myself. It is in the
dining room and has to match the china cabinet and other furniture.
Originally I did lots of research and settled on a gel stain by General
Finishes, but when I went to the store and asked the guy to stain a few
samples of the wood so we can match the color, the water based stain by
GF was the near exact match to our furniture and the guy said it is
thick like a gel so I shouldn't have issues.

Oh boy did this not turn out the way I planned. OK so I read all of
the instructions, watched videos etc, and I am an artist and know how to
use brushes and all about strokes and paint. The wood was pretty smooth
as it was but I sanded with 150 and then 220 grit paper, used the
pre-stain conditioner and this is the first coat of stain but I am very
unhappy about it.

I want to note at the outset that I am not a purist here. If I can
use a product that will save me time and achieve the result I want, then
so be it, I don't care if I didn't do it the way it should be done etc.
I am expecting our 6th child in a few weeks AND we are having other
workers in the house to finish the 1st floor bathroom and a closet and
the backsplash so I don't have time for perfect processes and I am at my
wits end with this. I was so excited and now my husband is not
supportive for me to continue what he sees as a "waste of my time." I
did read more about water stains and apparently they start to dry within
a minute or two (I thought I had more time than that), but in my case
the stuff starts to dry pretty much within 10 seconds or so. I HATE
working with this water based stuff.

So here is the deal. I need an easy way out. I do not want the
bookcase to look painted. I just need it to match and do not care so
much about the grain of the wood showing, the color is the main thing. I
plan to spray lacquer it after I am done getting it the right color.
But my question is, what do I do now? I have a ROS and a vibrating
sander (on an oscillating multi-tool) but I read that hand sanding is
best (and what I did) but after all the sanding my hand is really sore. I
do not want to sand the whole thing down by hand. I think I will cry
just to think of it so please do not suggest that to me. I am a mother
of five kids under the age of 7 and I work very hard just to bathe, feed
and clothe everyone. This is my evening project after I have sung to
all the kids, bathed them and put them to bed, which usually means I can
start working around 8:30 pm.

Please again, this is a brand new unfinished piece that I started
with. I sanded carefully for a few nights and just today attempted to
stain but the product I think was not the right one for me. So do not
accuse me of not sanding or of not reading the instructions. I did all
of that. Also the wood species is Alder, for the wood experts out there
and it is supposedly closed grain so I should not have such a hard time.

Is there a way to continue with the stain as it is now? Any technique
to use or a different brand, or wait for moisture to dry and get a gel
stain and use that in about a week?

If anyone has worked with GF stains and can advise me please do so. I
really appreciate your help. These are the before and after pics but
the after pics look worse in person:







Left side is worse than the right side. Please help if you can. Thank you sooo much.

Comments (12)

  • 11 years ago

    My advice is to post this in the woodworking section, but I am afraid your not going to like the answers your going to get.

    mamaloukos thanked millworkman
  • 11 years ago

    I think I did post it there...it was late last night. Thanks!

  • 11 years ago

    I just checked and I already got an answer that said I should get it professionally done. Obviously that is my last resort, especially since the guy that originally gave me the high estimate will now be laughing with me about how this ended up.

  • 11 years ago

    "I just checked and I already got an answer that said I should get it professionally done. "


    My sentiments exactly, from your description and the pictures you posted you are in way over your head and in my opinion are potentially ruining a nice piece (possibly did some irreparable damage already).

  • 11 years ago

    Toxcrusadr, what you said "it dried so fast you couldn't wipe off the excess" is exactly what happened. On the left side, once I pulled off the brush the mark was there and I couldn't blend anything or do anything to change it. It happened pretty much instantly. I think it is the nature of the wood (alder) and the water based stain that did it. I will do a test run of the water stain plus gel stain on top of that before stripping/resanding on my samples of the alder. The wood is smooth, and I didn't want the grain to show in any case (my other furniture is not rustic/wood looking either so I am not going for that look)...so I will definitely try and see what happens. Thanks so much for trying to help me. I really appreciate your time and good-hearted reply to my dilemma.


    To Millworkman: I do not think I am "in over my head" and I am not one to accept that reasoning in any case. You can think whatever you want but in this day and age you should keep it to yourself. I believe in "when there's a will there's a way," and in "no prayer goes unheard in Heaven" and as I said at the outset I didn't come here to have you tell me to get it professionally done (I came for technical advice of how to fix it not your opinion or judgments). I imagine you are like many of the men who are in construction who think that ladies can't get this stuff done, and I am sorry to tell you but you are wrong, and a chauvinist to boot.


    My mom stopped by on Friday to visit and she loved how the bookcase looks, so these things are a matter of taste in the end. She liked the uneven tone (and no she "tells it like it is" so she wasn't trying to make me feel better). In fact, she said she loved it even before I told her I was unhappy with how it turned out...just some food for thought.

  • 11 years ago

    Also, I forgot to mention that I emailed GF and they said that I should sand at 400 grit (lightly) and then try the gel on top. I will do that on my samples and see what happens. I will post pics, G-d willing, with a nice finished product. Thanks again.

  • 11 years ago

    So how did it turn out?

    I recently did something similar but took a different tactic so don't feel these sorts of things happen to just you. Here is my tale to make you feel better.

    I wanted to install a recessed cabinet. I saw lots of great looking ones on pinterest. I found this great web site WG Wood Products that had lots of options for you to custom order. Mentally I had placed several of these around the house. To test I ordered one with the extra depth, a door style to match my interior doors, extra glass shelves and I decided to order it in white as that is what my interior doors and wood trim is. The total cost for the unit was $625 including shipping. Definitely on the high side but if it looked as good as I thought it would I was willing to pay. I thought I would get painted wood.

    What showed up was MDF doors that look like an over the toilet cabinet from Walmart. I was crushed. When I e-mailed the company to complain they said it was wood. I tried to find a place on their web site that stated wood so I would protest and get my money refunded because I definitely have el cheapo MDF doors. Instead I found small print that said if you ordered the door in the style I did and in painted white it was made out of MDF instead of wood. I had no recourse.

    I took the stinky MDF doors off and put them in the garage. I am using the recessed cabinet for picture frames. It doesn't look that great without the doors and I'm temped the next time I need drywall repair to just take it out and throw it out. Total waste of $625.

    Your cabinet looks finely crafted. Hopefully you were able to fix the finish. The WG Wood products can be bought unfinished on discount web sites but I didn't take that route for the reason I didn't think I could finish it well. Unfortunately paying the company to finish it didn't work out for me either because they switched up the materials.

  • 11 years ago

    I gave birth to a baby boy about a week ago and he is the NICU so I am not in the frame of mind to apply the finish on the bookcase, but I did finish the staining portion the night before I went into labor. I decided to do an antique two-toned (light/dark) look with a gold gilding for some of the molding edges. It is more of an artistic/antique look but I am very happy with the way it came out. I will be honest, I do "beat to my own drum" so to speak so as long as I like it that is what matters. I have to apply the lacquer but I will do that once the baby comes home with G-d's help. It is difficult to eat and sleep because of all this anxiety and the stress of the pain I feel. The bookcase is on the bottom of the to-do list right now. I will post pictures when I do finish it. I am sorry you got a bait and switch from this company. That happens all the time when you order things sight unseen online, unfortunately. We are all in G-d's hands so I wouldn't worry much. These are only cabinets. The main thing is that you and your loved ones are healthy. Thanks for checking in!

  • 11 years ago

    Congratulations on the baby!

  • 11 years ago

    Congratulations on the baby boy & hope he gets to come home soon! I notice on the 1st pic that the unfinished wood looks a little different in areas, perhaps you had sanded it & the people that made it might have put something on it as it looks a little uneven. I think I would check on that & asked them if it's bare wood or treated. I refinished a lot of things & never had a problem until I bought a kids wooden toybox, looked a little rough in 1 corner & I sanded it & then saw the directions that said they had treated it with something & do not sand. It was just a toybox so not a big deal but it didn't take the oil stain right because I sanded off whatever they had put on it. Haven't used gel stains as I have oil stains left & wipe on with a rag. Hope you can get it looking way you want it. It's a nice piece & will store a lot of things. You need to take time off for awhile & just take care of your family! My dr. told me she thought most women needed hysterectomies later in life because they did too much 1st 6 weeks after a baby came. So I took her advice & worked for me!

  • 10 years ago

    I would get some Minwax oil wipe on and do it over.