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Beamed ceiling, adding light, help needed!

10 years ago

I have a ranch-style home, built in 1978. The family room is 14 x 18 and the ceiling is like the inside of a milk carton, with wood beams at each change of plane:

The highest part, the short section connecting the two "Vees" is at 11 ft high. The tops of the walls are at 8.5 ft., so though they may look flat in the photo, the "Vees" do climb from the corners of the room to the center short beam.

There is no light in this house. No room has so much as a ceiling fixture, though the halls do. I laugh when I see the posts about people needing to have their lighting plan done by Friday! The builder of this home's lighting plan was that a switch by the door operates a wall plug somewhere in the room. In this Family Room, the wall switch operates the TV and cable system. Oops.

Originally, I wanted to add a ceiling fan with a light kit to the center of the short flat beam. I figured that the parts that make up the beam would come apart, the fan would be hung somehow, then a hole would have to be made in the face piece of wood to allow the fan's shaft to pass through, and the electrical would have to be surface-mounted inside the beam going to the corner of the room, where it would enter the wall. There it could hook up with the switch that should not be controlling the TV, and it could take over that switch box. The TV and such might get its own, new circuit.

I ran into two problems. I could never find a fan with a light kit that gave enough light to brightly light the room without those awful 1970s-style tulip light-bulbs-pointed-to-blind-your-eyes fixtures, and then there was the slanted ceiling. I can't really get up there to measure how far from the ceiling or beams a ceiling fan's blades would be any given distance out. Given that the ceiling is only 11 ft, that the beams are about 7" or 8" deep, then the tips of the ceiling fan blades would have to be x" down from them as they make their sloping descent toward the 8.5 ft corners of the room. See? Complicated.

We used to have an antique floor lamp in this room with a 300 watt mogul base up light and three 60 watt bulbs in the shade area. DH got fed up with it and banished it. We now each have task lighting at our chairs and there is one other table lamp. The adjoining kitchen was remodeled five years ago and has four Cree 6"LED cans and four 4" LED cans and one of the 4" is on the boundary between the two rooms and we do get a lot of light from the kitchen when the lights are all on. The Family Room definitely needs its own lighting, though. We are now in our late 50s and need more light than ever to see well.

Our roof is just above the ceiling in the Family Room. When we insulated, our contractor could not get "in there" to add any insulation. In addition, when we had the roof replaced, a lot of the "nail pops" in the ceiling drywall lost their drywall mud and the whole ceiling needs repairs and repainting due to that. So I know there is no getting up above this ceiling to install anything. That is the reason that I am guessing that a fan or a chandelier has to be installed in (or even ON) the ceiling behind the faux beam, then the "cover" piece of the faux beam has to be cut to allow the rod or chain to pass through. Is this going to look ridiculous? It seems passable to me for the rod of a ceiling fan. But what if I want to put in a chandelier? http://www.build.com/livex-lighting-8678-chandelier/s920436?uid=2307384


That round 5" bronze canopy it hangs from has to be at the ceiling. No faux beam is going to hold up that light. What is it going to look like with a chain coming through a hole in the faux beam? This thing puts out a lot of light and will brightly light the room. I can use LED bulbs in it, too.

I just now found this possibility, I don't know if this particular fan would give off enough light with the heavily tinted shades, but the idea of hiding a fan in the housing of a lighting fixture is interesting and gets rid of my problem with the slanting ceiling. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DSU5H9S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=105DYTR9DCPLU&coliid=IJO7BY3SWH2QV&psc=1

1. So how would I have a handyman mount a ceiling fixture in this situation? What if we can't get above the drywall, can we mount on the drywall in the faux beam?

2. Is it legal to put the wiring inside the beam, perhaps in a track to get it to the wall, where we can fish it to the switch?

3. Would you simply drill a hole in the face board of the beam and put the lighting's rod through, or would you line that hole with a rubber gasket (if I could find one)? Or try to find a dummy canopy to put there so it looks like the light/fan is hanging from it? Oftentimes, the canopy does hold the fan, and is not just decorative, right? So the real one will be inside the beam, doing its work. Hence the need for a "dummy" one if I want one that can be seen outside, hanging from the faux beam.

Is there anything that I am missing as I think about adding a ceiling fixture - ceiling fan or chandelier - to this room?

Comments (6)

  • 10 years ago

    Hi David, thanks for the ideas. I can see that the beams are not solid. That is why I spoke of taking them apart. Do you know if I can put the wiring inside the hollow beams and if I have to have it also inside wiremold? Is it possible to hang a fixture from the outside of the ceiling if there is no way to get an electrical box or a fan hanger inside due to framing? I have no idea where the framing is up there.

  • 10 years ago

    There is ample precedent for surface mounted junction boxes, conduit and hangers.

    Perhaps the first thing to do is to figure out the structural elements in the ceiling.

    Depending on how the beams were constructed, attached (- exposed sharp screws, nails on the inside of the beams) armored cable might be a good idea especially if the beams are to be reattached to the ceiling.

    Metal conduit is only possible if the beams are removed and then reattached. Or the faux cover is to cover the metal conduit.

    In the end, it might be easier and cheaper to just use surface mounted boxes, conduit and hangers.

    Nancy in Mich thanked David
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I continue to look at fans and fan light combos. I am reluctant to
    purchase onlline without knowing what is possible to hang, of course. I
    will need to hire help to hang and wire the fixture. Part of me wants
    to go to a local showroom and purchase it there, hoping that they have
    installers who will know what they are doing, and I will be able to
    exchange the fixture if they find a problem with the one I choose. I
    just have never done things that way - the expensive "rich people" way
    of doing things! It goes against the grain. My inability to help with
    this installation really makes me frustrated. I have to rely completely
    on others and I don't have anybody for this complicated a job.

    At
    least now I know about armored cable, thanks, David! And I know I can
    use surface-mounted boxes and conduit if the ceiling turns out to not be
    usable for running electrical.

    How about aesthetics? Does
    anyone have an opinion on having a ceiling fan rod coming down through a
    faux beam? If I got that odd fan in the second picture, would you
    think it looks stupid having the rod coming out of the center of the
    faux beam? It would have a 18" or 24" downrod (I forget which) to get
    it at the right height for the room, so it would be hanging lower than
    in the photo. Please give opinions, even if you tell me it would look
    stupid.

  • 10 years ago

    It would be prudent to have a local electrician (recommended from your circle of friends/ relatives) look at faux beams, ceiling and how the beams have been fastened. Then you'd be able to get a better idea of

    1. What is possible - eg max load, physical clearance, ...
    2. What each possible option requires

    Only then would the aesthetics be considered.


    Nancy in Mich thanked David
  • 10 years ago

    Okay, so I need to have an electrician in first to see what the situation is, then purchase the fan or light based on his or her findings. I can do that. Thanks.