I can not answer your question, and no longer grow 'Silver Queen', but I wanted to say welcome and look forward to more of your posts (and photos). Russ H, if he checks in, has a good working knowledge of these cultivars and what leaf cuts produce. Michael L is a wealth of knowledge and may know too. I do not have a copy of Juan Chahinian's book but that may also be a worthwhile investment for you and outlines most of that type of information.

Thank you woodnative! What an honor to get a response from such a well known and committed gardenweb member! I promise to post pics tonite or tomorrow :) may I ask you why you don't grow the silver queen cultivar anymore? Just preference, or is there some undesirable trait you've found in this cultivar?

I'm not sure what connection you're finding btwn Silver Queen & Moonshine. I don't know what you mean about Moonshine not coming true, true to what? It's not a variegate (unless I misundersand what we're talking about). My Moonshines didn't pup but I would have expected the pups to be same as the parent.

I am a longtime variegates fan. While I've never grown Silver Queen, my understanding is that many, if not most Sans. willl revert except those specifically known not to revert like Bantel's Sensation & Lillian'sTrue.

Imontestella, I apologize for not explaining what I meant, that was my fault. I realize that most variegated sansevierias revert to the unvariegated forms. I understand that moonshine sans revert back to robusta when leaf cuttings are taken, and silver queen is basically just a tall version of moonshine, however I read online that silver queen comes true to type from leaf cuttings and don't revert back to plain trifasciata. Also, let me ask, it was my understanding that bantel's sensation and Lillian's true revert back to plain trifasciata when leaf cuttings are propagated, was my understanding incorrect? Thank you so much for your response, I look forward to continuing being a part of all of your great community here, and the wealth of knowledge that it provides!

Woodnative, Ahhh I gotcha. I ran out of room long ago, I just keep buying more plants lol. The varieties you mentioned are all so beautiful, ones I hope to add to my collection in the future! Also, no worries about getting off track! I love to hear whatever everyone has to say! That's what makes this forum so wonderful, all of the information present in everyone's posts :)

Hi Sans Man

Welcome to our group. I am looking forward to seeing your photos. I don't think I have ever seen a silver queen. It is great to have an enthusiastic new member. Barb

http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/foliage/folnotes/sansevie.htm

Check out this link, (you might read this already). it talks "stay true" question you asked, although it does not cover all the cultivars

Barbmock, thank you for the very warm and kind welcoming to this forum! I'll get those pics tonite! I look forward to being a new and enthusiastic member, and being a part of this amazing community :)

Rockdale, thank you very much for the link; that's exactly what I needed! I will get started on my leaf cutting right away now that I know they come true!

Sans Man, Silver Queen does propagate true from leaf cuttings. So does Gray Lady (aka Silver Princess in Europe) which is a small, narrow-leaved form similar to Silver Queen that grows to 12 to 18 inches high. Bantel's Sensation, Lillian True, Laurentii and Compacta all produce the species trifasciata although could produce an albino if the plant originates from the variegated part of the leaf. The Hahnii-sized form of Silver Queen, H. Silver Hahnii, also propagates true from leaf cuttings. You would think Moonshine would also produce true, since it's the Futura-sized form of Silver Queen, but Mother Nature isn't consistent.

Good to see everyone chiming in here, even though it's getting cold.

Russ

So, uh, er, like where is the picture of the Silver Queen? Hello?

Oops, sorry, I found all of Sans Man's sans pictures.

Forescate - saw that for the first time at The Huntington. It is lovely.

Yes, I saw your picture of that beautiful Forescate. Wish I could find one.

Russ, I apologize for taking so long to respond, I just now saw your comment! That is wonderful to hear! Silver queen is my favorite variety and I am glad to hear I can start to make infinity ;) I am honored to enjoy a glimpse of your wisdom into the fascinating world of sansevieria!

Pat, I am glad to hear you found my pictures! Do you have any questions or comments in regards to them?

Next Obsession and Barb, I too agree that was a beautiful plant! I wish to find one someday as well!

@Woodnative,

Do you mind sharing on how to grow Forescate well? I've been searching high and low on how to grow Forescate but none available. Forescate is one of my favorite Sans and I hope I can learn how to grow it well... It will be great and helpful to others like me if you can make a thread for Forescate so we can learn, cherish and feast our eyes on its beauty from the pics of GardenWeb members who have them... :)

Shine Eden, I don't think I've ever grow Forescate, but I can't imagine it's any more difficult than Golden Hahnii or especially Solid Gold Hahnii. To me, the latter is the most difficult I've ever grown. I think the key is a very open, quick-draining mix, careful watering during the summer and perhaps no water at all during the winter. Hopefully others can give info more specific to Forescate.

Your climate there should be ideal for growing sansevierias, are you having trouble growing particular sans in addition to Forescate?

Russ

Hi Russ,

You can call me Shine. :)

Have been waiting for you. Have you seen my posts about Hahnii Cream, Jaboa and Loop's Pride?

Thank you for tips! I'd love to have Solid Gold Hahnii, but the nursery that have it, still do not want to sell it yet.

Well... I have just re-started collecting sans that I like, as I killed most of my previous sans due to lack of knowledge. Either I over watered or over sun.

I don't want to kill them this time. So I ask questions now. In addition to what I wrote previously, now I have (or at least what I think I have) Lillian True, Forescate, Pinguicula. People told me that Trifasciata's families are harder to grow here than the thick leaves. It took me more than 1 year to find Lillian True & Forescate, they are very hard to find. So I'm trying to learn as much as I can about growing them nicely without killing them.

Shine, I commented on some of your misnamed sans in another thread. Your Cream is Silver Hahnii Marginated, your Loop's Pride looks like it but I need to know how tall it is and if leaves are extremely stiff as if it would snap if you attempted to bend it. The leaf should also not be smooth across the width of the leaf, there should be vertical ridges running the length of the leaf as if it had 'veins'. I see there are striped edges on the leaves, that is typical but it should not be more than 1/4 inch in width at the very most. Typically Loop's Pride grows to about 5" tall, perhaps a bit more than that in warm, tropical climates such as yours. But if it's a foot tall, you have something else, I don't have perspective of the size from your picture.

I haven't looked at Jaboa yet, I don't have it so will have to rely on pics.

Trifasciata types will need more shade than cylindrical-leaved sans and those with thicker leaves. I think trif's are more tropical in nature so don't like extreme drought which the other sans can handle with ease.

Variegated stripes on the interior of Lillian True leaves should be different on the front and reverse, stripes should not match in placement on the leaf or width. If they do match, your trifasciata is another variety.

Pinguicula should be easy to ID, only a few are similar although I've seen pics of various pinguicula clones that were stocky with short leaves, others with more narrow and longer leaves.

If you'll post pics maybe we can confirm for you.

If you're still learning about sans, you might wait on getting a Solid Gold since they are truly difficult to grow. However, these are hard to find so if you can get that nursery to sell one I suppose it's better to at least try it now while it's available.

Years ago I had a Hahnii Seibert that produced several Solid Gold Hahnii's as offsets. I was able to grow these for awhile but eventually lost them to rot, a single watering at the wrong time and they will turn to mush. Golden Hahnii's that don't have much green in the leaves can be almost as difficult, those with green edges and a few stripes in the interior are much easier to grow. It's all about the amount of chlorophyll in the leaves.

Best, Russ

Thank you again Russ!!

About the one I think is a Loop's Pride, I took a measure immediately,
- The height is around 12.5 cm or 5".
- The striped edges width from the biggest striped leaf is around 3/8".
- The leaves are very stiff and thicker comparing to my other Trifasciatas, and I think it would snap if I attempt to bend it. I don't think it is as flexible as my other Trifasciatas or hahniis.
- The leaves are not smooth flat surface, have vertical ridges running the length of the leaf like veins.

To give you a comparison, here are the pics of my past Loop's Pride that I killed, around it were Jade Dwarf Marginated. It had the clearer stripes than the 2 new one I have now.

And here is my other Loop's Pride that I planted in Lava Rocks.

Russ, I think I better create a new thread for grouping them together so it will be easier to read and not all over the place.

Here is the new thread I made: Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Will be waiting for your comments there... Thank you once again...

Okay Shine, I've posted at the new thread.

Russ

Ok, I've been searching for a silver queen. I tried ordering from a well known site but have received the wrong sans x2. The sans received are big and vibrant but not what I ordered and an explanation has not been received.

so...I'll just keep on looking.

k

Also, I don't know why I show up a enterotoxigenic0047,

im just enterotoxigenic00!

k

Hi Entero, I've had Silver Queen from several different sources in years past, but it's no longer in my collection. I keep looking for one locally without luck, odd since it was enormously popular years ago. If you can get someone to send a couple of leaves to you, it will propagate true from the leaves. I'll let you know if I find a source.

Russ

FWIW, I've seen it recently at my local nursery in Los Angeles but big ones for ~$40.

Next Obsession?

Can you tell me where in LA. I'm going 'down below' in a week or so.

thank you,

k

Green Thumb in Canoga Park and Tarzana Nursery in Tarzana - both in the San Fernando Valley (North LA).

I apologize - it's actually West Valley Nursery in Tarzana - there are 3 Silver Queens there the smallest is $29 in an 8" pot, I think there are maybe 2 bigger/higher priced plants at Green Thumb in Canoga Park last I was there.

I would buy one of these, but Florida is a bit "out of the area". As I said, I'm very surprised Silver Queen is so hard to find these days given it was wildly popular many years ago. I think the fact that it's not variegated or has any contrast of color in the leaves has pushed it into relative obscurity, unfortunate since it's a very nice sansevieria.

Russ

Russ, you may be right, fashions come and go - even in plants.

Ohh thank you!

Sorry - is sanseviera Silver Queen also known as Moonshine? A bit confused. TQ.

Wow, old thread. No as Russ said above. Silver Queen is the tall version and produce true from cuttings while Moonshine is the medium growing (futura) size and it produce robusta from cuttings. Looks the same but came from different areas and generics.

I am looking for a Silver Queen for Russ right now.

Thanks Stush, I tried answering earlier but doesn't work on my phone. So I'm on my dusty old desktop.

Pauline, there are 3 sizes of trifasciata cultivars, the Hahnii type is smallest, some stacking Hahnii's can reach a foot but others are to around 6 inches. Intermediate sizes grow from about 1 foot to 18 inches depending on temps and culture, and usually have proportionally wider leaves, Then there are the full-size varieties that grow as tall as the species, 3 to 5 feet. Silver Queen is one of the latter, Moonshine is an intermediate. Silver Hahnii would represent the short variety in this trio of silver trifasciata cultivars.

As Stush said, Mother Nature had a little joke on us in that Silver Queen propagates true from leaf cuttings, as does Silver Hahnii, but Moonshine does not. It instead produces Robusta, a plant of the same dimensions but has regular trifasciata coloration, pattern and banding. Robusta does propagate true from leaf cuts. Trifasciata v. Robusta shouldn't be confused with the species S. robusta, which is another plant entirely.

What has happened to Silver Queen? I guess it didn't have enough color, or 'pop' as interior decorators say, to keep up with brighter colored sans in the market place.

Hi Barb!

Russ

Good to see you posting again Russ.

Hi Russ! So glad to have you back here. We have really missed you! How are you and your plants these days? Most of the ones you shared with me have been growing and multiplying.