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Appliance decisions - thermador, wolf/subzero or miele?

10 years ago

I am finding the decision process very difficult as there seem to be negative reviews for all brands and some brands don't have all the functionality I'd like. Price differences also are a factor - ahh!

I need a 48" range with two ovens, column fridge/freezer units (preference is 30-36" fridge and 24" freezer), and a dishwasher.

Range - I like the thermador pro steam range because i think its neat to get a steam oven in the range. I don't have room for a separate steam oven. I also like the warming drawer. I am concerned about reliability. Is the oven fan really loud on this range? I read some other reviews saying the oven fan was loud but i think it was for a 36" range (not the 48" pro steam range). Are there any owners of this range that could chime in on what they like or don't like about this range?

If i don't ge tthe thermador pro steam range, I am considering either the miele 48" duel fuel or wolf 48" duel fuel or all gas range. I'm worried about the miele since it has only been out a year and its hard to find reviews. I've read about the chipping issue with the Wolf duel fuel and that also concerns me. I've never had a gas oven so am nervous about the all gas. Any owners of these ranges that can provide input?

If i get the Thermador range, then it seems I almost have to get all thermador products because of their 1, 2, free deal. It just wouldn't make sense not to. People generally seem happy with the Thermador Freedom columns. I kind of prefer the lighting in the Subzero and Miele fridges but Subzero columns are much more expensive and Miele doesn't make a 24" freezer. Therefore, it seems if i get the Thermador range, I should just get the Thermador fridge/freezer too. Now if i want to spend an extra $8k or so, i could choose the Miele or wolf range and go with subzero for the fridge freezer. however, I'm not sure they would be that much better than Thermador to justify the extra cost.

For dishwashers, I already own a top of the line Miele and love it. We'll need a second dishwasher in our new kitchen. If i go with Thermador 1, 2 free deal (ie. buy their range and fridge/freezer columns), I may sell the freeThermador d/w and use that money toward a new Miele instead.

Bottom line, I like the steam oven and warming drawer on the Thermador pro steam range. Thermador package is significantly cheaper than either a Wolf/subzero package or a Miele/subzero package. This seems to push me toward going all Thermador. However, there aren't that many reviews out there for the Thermador pro steam range. I'm willing to pay the extra money for Wolf/Miele/Subzero if its really better. I don't want to hate my appliances for the next 15-20 years.

thoughts?

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Comments (13)

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    When buying appliances the first thing is function . Does the appliance do what you want from it, if not keep looking. They do not have to come from the same maker that is why stainless has been popular for so long stainless from any maker looks good with stainless from some other maker.IMO sub-zero and wolf are totally over rated and all I have ever had with Miele DWs is trouble in clients homes. So find what functions for you and you will be happy.

  • 10 years ago

    I feel your pain, bardzil. I have been going through the same decision making process. If I buy all from one manufacturer, I will save a lot of money because of rebates, freebies, etc. I finally said, forget it, get what you really need and want. I read somewhere that manufacturer's offer the rebates and freebies because people would not generally buy a complete kitchen suite of all the same appliance brand without them. Check out Yale Appliance's website for some very informative blogs about appliance brands. They really helped me make my decision.

  • 10 years ago

    It's true, I've read some awful reviews about Sub Zero. I know on America's Test Kitchen they use Fisher & Paykel appliances. They're all about getting the best whatever they're testing so I'd think they'd be pretty picky. You might check them out.

  • 9 years ago
    I'm going through the same decision making process now. I'm curious about what you decided. Do you have any conclusions to share? I'm leaning towards the thermador 48" the steam convection oven.
  • 9 years ago

    We haven't purchased anything yet. Our home renovation/addition was delayed so we'll likely be starting sometime in 2017. I'm still torn and don't know what I will get!

  • 9 years ago

    I'd suggest you consider KitchenAid. They are high quality at an upper mid range price.

  • 9 years ago

    Avoid Thermador -- I wish I had done so. The "stainless" they use is not really stainless at all. The cast iron grates are basically rusting without cause. I finally was able to get a representative sent out by Thermador and he stated the cooktop should be replaced. Then he said he would see me in a few weeks, once the paperwork was approved. Corporate contradicted him and said no replacement would be approved. No explanation, just a simple refusal. Look around and you will see the horrible customer service stories -- believe them and save yourself the frustration.

  • 9 years ago

    I would go with Miele or Gaggenau.

  • 9 years ago
    Hi, I just wanted to share some info on a frig /freezer option. For our kitchen renovation, we selected Frigidaire Professional frig and freezer columns, each is ~32 inches wide, and there is a trim kit that makes it look like one huge unit. Love it, and half the price of subzero, etc. each unit is 19 cu feet. It is counter depth.
  • 9 years ago

    We are going through the same issue.

    Range - We wanted to do the Miele - but they combine a speed oven and regular oven which is dumb. Nobody wants to reach that low for a microwave.

    So the Thermador for the combo steam/regular oven seems like the best option - but stuarton's message above concerns me.

    We could do the Miele 36" range, install the steam oven next to it in the cabinetry, and then put a speed oven high, I suppose.

    Fridges - We prefer Miele to Subzero. So that is the way we are going. I wish they had more column sizes, but whatever. The only other vendor I'd be tempted by is True, but their residential columns aren't out yet and who knows how good they will be.

    Dishwasher - Miele are the best. The house we are moving into has a top end Bosch so we will use it for now. But whenever it gets replaced, Miele.




  • 8 years ago

    Any updates on appliance performance from those who were still in the process of buying :)

  • 8 years ago

    Love this comment from Patricia Colwell: When buying appliances the first thing is function . Does the appliance do what you want from it, if not keep looking.

    The struggle I have found has been with the Fridge/Freezer. We are doing a new house build and came from a house where we had 2, 27cu ft side by sides and a chest freezer in different parts of the house. It was a pain with all of the food scattered around. From the beginning I had focused on the Frigidaire Pro/Electrolux Icon separate Fridge/Freeze combo. The next issue is buying from an appliance store that supports the product not a large box-house retailer. We have not found one appliance store with service who sells Frigidaire or Electro in our area. Our builder uses a appliance store that has its own support but their entry level is KA and the 48" KA side by side is just to small. Their other option is Thermador which is a budget killer at over 14k (Options for SS & Handles and Heater req). Ive also been told by the Thermador rep that the new model columns still have some kinks to be worked out. It is a real challenge to find 24-30" columns that are not over 10k for the pair. Have also looked at Leibherr and Marvel.