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I messed up my sink!

10 years ago

I feel like I've failed Gardenweb 101. I got so focused on picking the finishes and making sure the edges of the counter were correct that when the installer talked to me about the sink I wasn't really prepared. He told me what he was going to do and I was busy with my kids and just asked him if that was what most people do and he said yes and I let him do his thing since the install was going so well.


I I ended up with a negative reveal which doesn't look awful but does cover up

my pretty sink. I talked to the owner today and they can come out and take the counter off and change it to a positive reveal but it will cost $500 plus the pain of going though it and keeping me without a kitchen faucet or dishwasher another day or two.


Do do you think it's worth it to change it? Will it damage the sink or do you think I'll just forget about it once everything is finished in the kitchen and it's not that big of a deal?

Comments (33)

  • 10 years ago

    It looks like a Kohler. Are there any cutting boards or wire baskets that sit on the top ledge? Some have that, so a positive reveal is necessary for them. It looks almost flush more than negative reveal. To me, it looks OK, but I know mine-which isn't a farmhouse sink, but a large cast iron Kohler does have a large positive reveal as the cutting board sits there and I really do like the look of it on my sink. But some people say the caulk line is more exposed and vulnerable. Mine after more than 3 years is like new in that regard.

    I think if you will be disappointed, then $500 in the large scheme of things and another day or two is not such a big price to pay to get it exactly how you want it. Don't feel bad, I was just told our wait time for our counter and quartz tub surround in our bathroom reno will be 3 to 4 weeks :( Another month without a working main bath.

    katieleabrown86 thanked silken1
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks silken1, it is the Kohler Whitehaven, I don't plan to use any accessories. Purely aesthetic. It think it overhangs about 1/4-1/2" (can't remember what he said) all the way around. I don't think it looks bad, I just feel like it makes the sink look slightly smaller and not as pretty.

    i feel your pain on your bathroom delay!! I had to wait 6 weeks for my counter to come in but thank goodness everything was functional while I waited, you are way worse off!

  • 10 years ago

    I don't have a farmhouse sink and thought if it is incorrect that you have a case against the fabricator since he said that's how he does it. I thought you could compile an Ideabook in Houzz and show the owner that it's not the typical way, but all the photos I saw in the first few pages of my farmhouse sink search were done just like that.

    katieleabrown86 thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    I wonder if it will be easier to chip the edge of the counter with it over-hanging the sink. Not to add to your disappointment, but might be worth considering as you weigh out what to do.

    Maybe some others, with a negative reveal will give their opinions.

    katieleabrown86 thanked silken1
  • 10 years ago

    Will the existing pre-drilled holes affect how far they can cut back to a positive reveal?

    katieleabrown86 thanked smiling
  • 10 years ago

    I have a Whithaus sink and chose the negative reveal like you have. We have soapstone counters so I worry about chipping the edge but it hasn't happened yet. We have had it less than a year. This is the best close up I have. I love it.

    katieleabrown86 thanked brdrl
  • 10 years ago

    I think it looks a little odd with the front edge of the sink sticking out beyond the edge of the counter. Would they just cut the counter opening larger, or would the sink be raised up level with the top of the counter? If the sink would be raised up to me it would be worth the $500; if it stays down where it is I probably would leave it.

    Donna

    katieleabrown86 thanked msmeow
  • 10 years ago
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    There are lots of negative reveals out there, so it's not that unusual, and there are apron front sinks that extend past the counter top--mine for example :).

    The sink and counter are beautiful! I'd leave it--just keep a toothbrush under the sink, and use it to scrub under the reveal once in a while.

    katieleabrown86 thanked mama goose_gw zn6OH
  • 10 years ago

    Smiling, not sure if it would affect the holes. The fabricator didn't say anything about it when he talked about fixing it.

    Msmeow, I think the opening would just be cut larger. Someone else installed the sink so I would have to have him come out and rebuild the base. This is sounding like too much trouble!

    Brdl, your sink and counter looks lovely and good to hear you haven't had any chipping.

    I am leaning toward just leaving it, I'm mostly disappointed in myself that I wasn't more aware of how I wanted it to be.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks mama goose that makes me feel so much better! I was feeling like I did it wrong.

  • 10 years ago

    Looks much easier to clean with a negative reveal than a positive - I think this would be my preference!

    katieleabrown86 thanked lharpie
  • 10 years ago

    I am doing a Whitehaven sink with soapstone countertops. I just spoke with my fabricator and he recommends a negative reveal. I agree with him. I prefer the gunk underneath to the inevitable discoloration of the silicone with a positive reveal. If I were you, I would leave it alone. It looks beautiful, in my opinion.

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  • 10 years ago

    Short answer: You will have other opportunities to spend that $500 which will make you much happier. Or save it for retirement, and then enjoy the compounded amount.

    Long answer: I have a perfect, slightly positive reveal which I like and use - BUT - just as I was reading your post I looked across my island toward my prep sink and noticed an ugly but very thin line of grossness between sink and counter on the front of my sink. I'm usually in the prep area and therefore only see the back of the sink. I really should've have taken a picture for you, but I HAD to clean that gunk! My sink is cinder and my counters are dark, so it wasn't as bad as it would be given a white sink and white counter.

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  • 10 years ago

    I don't have a sink like yours but I think yours look perfectly fine. There's always a chance for something else to go wrong if you have it recut (which would be my luck) and you'd be wishing you left it alone. It looks beautiful as is and its better than seeing dirty or discolored caulking as time goes on. I'd leave well enough alone.

    katieleabrown86 thanked Jancy
  • 10 years ago

    I have a fireclay farmhouse sink with a negative reveal and am planning on doing a negative reveal on my farmhouse sink in my new build. I prefer the way it looks. Personally, I'd consider it a positive "accident".

    katieleabrown86 thanked cpartist
  • 10 years ago
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    Either way is arguably fine you're pretty much the only one who will know. Does make for easier cleaning than gunk on the reveal. Also the shadows in your photo make it look worse than it probably is?

    katieleabrown86 thanked bagofchips
  • 10 years ago

    Looks good!

    katieleabrown86 thanked Fori
  • 10 years ago

    I have stainless steel apron sink. I also wanted a positive reveal until my fabricator said he only recommends negative reveal. It's much easy to keep clean. You can brush crumbs right into sink. I'm not sorry I went with his recommendation.

    Yours looks fine!

    katieleabrown86 thanked Karen Eagle
  • 10 years ago

    BTW: No chips in 6 years and mine sticks out in front too. A farmhouse sink looks better sticking out a bit. It's not supposed to be flush with the cabinet.

    katieleabrown86 thanked cpartist
  • 10 years ago

    Positive reveal on mine for 11 yrs. Negative reveal next time I think. I like yours. I think it looks fabulous.

    dd just used your sink in her remodel and chose the negative reveal because she saw that mine occasionally gets gunky. Looks just like yours with Super White quartzite.

    katieleabrown86 thanked ILoveRed
  • 10 years ago

    I have a Kohler 'Hawthorne' sink (discontinued) and had to fight with someone to get a positive reveal. At that point, there were no sink people, including the DirectBuy kitchen people where I got it, who had heard of a farm sink with a positive reveal. Took a visiting designer from Detroit (I'm in MD) who had "heard something about it."

    To me, it's worth the $500.

  • 10 years ago

    In the grand scheme of a project like this $500 isn't very much to get what you really wanted. I know if it was me I would walk in and see regret every time.

    We have a positive reveal on our white haven. Our counters are soapstone and we wanted to sink to help take some of the impact from baking sheets and large pans. I'm rough on stuff and we use our kitchen heavily and our fabricator strongly recommend a positive reveal for this reason.


    katieleabrown86 thanked banana suit
  • 10 years ago

    I don't have a farmhouse sink. but the granite contractor gave me a negative reveal and the contract specified a positive reveal on my stainless steel sink. I called the manager of the company and she stated she would have them remove the top and fix the reveal. It would not have cost me anything. I chose to leave it, even though I did have a colander that would have fit in better with the right reveal. I did not want to risk any damage to the top and did not want the seam changed. They did a beautiful job on the seam and the rest of the install. Yeah, it wasn't what I spec'e or what was agreed to, but the counter looks beautiful and in the scheme of things, it really isn't that big of an issue to me.

    I don't think I would spend 500.00 for the change. It looks beautiful and I don't think you will really notice once the kitchen is done and you start using your sink. Less gunk on the rim. 500.00 goes a long way towards buying rugs, curtains or light fixtures. Things still could crop up that you did not plan for.

    I was having the carpet removed from my stairs and installing hardwood on them. Then the carpet was removed, the contractor discovered that the stairs were at the point of failure. The stairs were the prefab kind and if the carpet had not been removed they could have collapsed and fallen through to the basement, causing severe injury to whoever happened to be on them.

    They were replaced at a cost of 1500.00 An unexpected expense, one of several. You never know what will come up.


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  • 10 years ago

    We too just had a Whitehaven installed with a positive reveal. They had the template from the sink out and I could show them the line I wanted. Personally I like being able to put a drying rack on the edges - not sure you can do that with negative?

    However, yours still looks nice and not sure it's worth $500 to change!


    katieleabrown86 thanked Erica L
  • 10 years ago

    I use that rack on my negative reveal sink. It's on a little angle but works fine.

  • 10 years ago

    Heck there all kinds of ways to hack the rack so it sets level.

  • 10 years ago

    I've had a farmhouse sink (soapstone) with a negative reveal for 9 yrs. and haven't had any chipping on my counters.

    I understand the disappointment of seeing something that you'd envisioned differently, but I think your sink looks beautiful and will be easier to keep clean.

    katieleabrown86 thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    Erica L Your sink looks so pretty. I already decided to live with it, but wish I'd seen your picture sooner ;)

  • 10 years ago

    Katie - wow, your countertop is gorgeous!

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    10 years ago

    I think the fabricator is out of his mind to risk breaking the top and all that work for a lousy $500.00. He needs better salesmanship.

  • 10 years ago

    I think it looks great and will work just fine, so I'm mostly on board with the "let sleeping marble lie" faction. On the other hand, you know yourself best, and if it's something that you'll notice and be bothered by whenever you use the sink, it's probably worth it to fork over the money now for peace of mind later.

    That being said, I did get a positive reveal on my Whitehaven so that there's no gunk under the reveal and in hopes of using accessories. Erica L, do you know which drying rack that is? I've looked at some online but was worried that they might be too short to fit front-to-back. And anyone use a cutting board that fits snugly against the sloping inside face? (sorry to hijack)

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  • 10 years ago

    Avatar that is the over the sink roll up drying mat.

    Roll up mat