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Help! Spacing for walnut countertop supports? Cracks showing!

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

TLDR; My walnut countertop is cracking after 1 month, trying to figure out who to hold responsible here. A few questions:

- How far from the edge should supports be placed? Island is 6' long, and we have 2 supports that are 24" in from the edge. The overhang is 11.5" deep.

- Even without supports, should a walnut top show cracking after just 1 month of light use? We never placed anything heavy on the overhang.

Full Background:

I hired a local carpenter to make the countertop, and had my renovation crew install the piece. They met when they picked up the countertop from the carpenter and discussed installation details, but I was not present at the exchange. Now I'm getting different arguments on both sides why my countertop is cracking and frustrated that I'm stuck with cracks in my new countertop which I paid a lot of money for...

Carpenter said he did not specify exactly where the supports should be placed, but gave them a rough visual of where they should go. He now says the maximum distance it should be from the edge is 16", but that specific measurement was never discussed with me or the reno crew. He says that as experts, they should know that 24" inches is not sufficient for an overhang support and that he is not responsible for telling them all of those specifics. He said the industry standard is max 16" and any responsible contractor should know that.

The reno crew says the carpenter didn't give them exact instructions for installation and that he said the piece should definitely be sturdy as is for now, but suggested to add supports to keep it safe after 3-5 years of use. They said were iffy whether to install supports or not after hearing that from the carpenter but decided to go ahead and install it 24" in (where support would be available from the existing 24" cabinet bases) and said they told him that they would install those metal brackets there. They don't think it should have started cracking already just 1 month in with light usage.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Super frustrated here but trying to keep a fair description of events to get to some resolution so the countertop gets fixed without my having to pay for it all again...

Main crack

Underside of main crack on the left, another crack on the right

Distance of crack from the end of cabinet

Note that there's another hairline crack forming on the left, on the other side of the island. (The crack in the center was pre-existing and filled in when delivered.) This crack is NOT on the overhang, so I'm wondering if there are issues with the wood itself?

Comments (16)

  • 10 years ago

    At this point, you can ask your carpenter to use butterfly splines to keep the crack from getting worse.
    The root cause is likely the moisture as it was mentioned above... The wood might have been dried a little too fast, possibly leading to case hardening. I am assuming the slab is thicker than 1.5", though from your photo, it looks more like 1.25, which is pretty thin for a counter. What finish did they use?
    Is it possible to find out if this was kiln dried or air dried?

    In your last photo, it looks like there was already a crack that was eventually patched. That looks like end check. End checks are normally cut off because where there is one, there is more that you can't yet see.

    I don't know how much you paid for this, but it shouldn't have been more than $500 for a 6' length and about 3 ' wide I assume.
    As for the cracks, I wouldn't blame them on the support..

    crystalbathurst thanked printesa
  • 10 years ago

    Love!

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    HI -- Nothing to do with supports or installation ... simply young wood that was not dried properly before use .... that would be my guess . Having a humidifier might help a little . The wood just needed to age or be kiln dried more before using it . It will just continue to crack until it stops at some point .

    crystalbathurst thanked lefty47
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    He used Emmet's "Good Stuff".
    I'll ask what drying method he used and report back. It was a 76.5"x39" piece (so your estimate was pretty close).

  • 10 years ago

    HI -- Do you also know that walnut will darken over time too.

  • 10 years ago

    @lefty47 - I didn't know that for sure but figured it would age over time. I like it as it is but don't mind a little "character" added over time. Cracks definitely scare me more though.

  • 10 years ago

    lefty, walnut actually lightens over time. We have several pieces that my husband made and they indeed lighten.

    We looked at Emmet's stuff and they don't really say what it is. There was a complaint on oldtownhome.com that within a month the wood had gone back to raw after being finished with Emmet's good stuff. So, it basically leaves the wood without finish. That being said, I'd be curious about the finishing regimen for this top.

    crystalbathurst thanked printesa
  • 10 years ago

    @printesa The carpenter said that it was kiln dried. Interesting note about Emmet's Good Stuff... I was told I don't need to oil the top for another 18 months but sounds like it needs to be reapplied a lot more than that?

    @lefty47 what do you suggest to be done to fix the cracks and prevent it from getting worse?

  • 10 years ago
    I live just a half a mile from the ocean in San Francisco, so for example it's 87% humidity outside right now. Granted it's not going to be that high inside, but just pointing out I don't live in a dry climate.
  • 10 years ago

    Given all the details, I would ask for the money back from the carpenter. It's his fault for giving a faulty and badly finished piece. Since you life in SF area, I am sure that the piece was at least 3K (I lived in San Jose for about 6 years so I am familiar with the local costs a bit). I would look for other carpenters and get their opinion as well

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    10 years ago

    @crytalbathurst........Sorry for the slow response and thanks for your comments on our counter tops. I have looked over the many comments to your post and I would have to say that I agree with the majority of opinions that the wood expanding and contracting due to moisture is probably the culprit for the cracks and it has nothing to do with the overhang of the top. The top most likely was not dried out completely prior to glue up and natural drying out process has brought out the cracks. Looking at the board (I.E. the filled portion on the end) I would say that these cracks were naturally occurring and the board should not have been used in the construction of the counter top. These things happen with a wood counter top but the manufacturer should take the top off, cut that board out and replace it with a new board.

    As far as the finish I can not comment on Emmets, we use only a Waterlox Tung Oil finish and apply 5 coats of the tung oil to both the top and underside of the top...this is important in an area where there is alot of natural humidity because the top will shrink and expand with the different environmental conditions.

    I also noticed a comment on cost of the top. If you only paid $500 for the cost of this top I would consider that a steal!!! For us to build this counter top we would order at a minimum of $500 worth of lumber to get the right boards (I.E. no knots, no cracks etc). That top in New England would cost nearly $2,000 with our hand rubbed finish.

    Good luck with your top.....unfortunately the only way to fix this correctly is to remove the top, cut out the bad board and replace it with a new one.


  • 10 years ago

    She didn't say anything about the price,,I said that. Based on the dimensions, it looks like she has 30 bdft of 6/4 in the raw. $8 is the most expensive I can find 6/4 walnut, and that's retail to customer not to the maker. Joint, send through planer, glue, send through drum sander, and then apply finish of choice. It's a simple process.I don't think it takes more than 5 effective hours of work. Whatever the shop rate is, that's a different story. In any case, the guy who picked the wood did a bad job and he should take it back and return the money

  • 10 years ago
    That is a substantial overhand of a heavy but bot solid overhang not to be supported by 3 or4 corbels. Especially since the cracks seem to be occurring near th beginning of the overhang. Fault, who knows.
  • 10 years ago

    carolyn, from the photos it looks like there was a problem with the slab from the beginning. Any carpenter would know that such slab needs to be cut and new piece added..otherwise, it cracks and you see what happened