I saw those for sale yesterday in NYC's garden district. They were the Gollum type. I wished I had anymore window space available for them. They were beautiful

Gollum type hummel's sunset? Isn't that a red horn tree? I would pay you the price and postage to get one for me.:)

Mountain Crest Gardens

Red horn tree is large leafed hobbit with the hummels variegation. Have never seen a gollum like that but, could totally exist.

Some members found red horn tree at home depot early in the winter, but I haven't seen one in Brooklyn or NJ (by the holland tunnel) Home Depots I frequent as of yet.

Regular hummels sunset is fairly common, I've seen them at both lowes and home depot, though they don't always have them.

You guys get much nicer finds at home depot than I see when I am there! Though, my big ZZ plant came from them.

=( In Long Island we get butkus.

Never everrrrr saw hummel's at any of the big box stores & I haunt them every single weekend.

I ended up buying one off of ebay but that can be hit or miss, so I don't like to depend on that for new additions.

Maybe I can get to the garden district, details please?

When? Where?

I'm sorry I'm so late to get back to this discussion. Let me show you what I'm talking about. I'm here in the garden district again

I don't know if this plant is what we were all talking about. I hope I didn't mislead anyone.

This shop is on 28th street between 6th and 7th avenues, and charges much more than any of the other shops around. Those little Gollums in the pictures I posted sell for $15.00 each

Well, that looks like the pic I've saved on my computer as 'red horn tree'.

Can anyone verify?

I'm hoping to get down there this Saturday!

=D

Is this a shop? or is there a vendor & display of some sort outside?

When you say 'garden district', are you referring to stores or vendors outside?

I promise that I took those pictures myself. They have them on trays right in front on the store. I'll pass by again tomorrow or Friday, and get you the exact name of the store and the address number

awesome!!

Thanks

=)

I'm going to try to make it there this Saturday morning.

I went looking this afternoon, but it was near closing time and places were bringing stuff inside and closing, weather was poor as well. I didn't see them, though I looked in every place that was open. Manuel, were they on the south side of 28th, somewhere near the corner of 6th? Seems to be where most of the places are.

I hadn't been to the area in quite a while, it was nice to just enter the places and smell the various plant smells, don't get that much around here.

It does look like a gollum with the hummels variegation, which I haven't ever seen. The line between hobbit and gollum can get murky, with some plants showing characteristics of both, but I've never seen a jade quite like those pictured before.

I may go back tomorrow to look again.

Daniel

Wrong side. It's the first shop closest to 7th avenue. It's a fancy schmanzy shop. But,'you're correct about it being on the south side of the street

Daniel, I'm having a toothache, and I'm a little bit under the weather and cranky, but if I feel better later I will stop by that shop and take a picture of the entrance way. That way you will know exactly where to look.

This shop is very over priced. They had some beautiful hanging baskets, A type of Rhipsalis, but they wanted $35.00 each. Actually, all their hanging baskets are $35.00, which is crazy

Those that Manuel pictured most definitely show Red Horn Tree characteristics IMHO. The variegation on the first pic is identical to mine whilst the second and third ones do show a different colouration with more pink tones. The leaves are much bigger than the regular Gollum/Hobbit types.

Gill UK

Hookilau, this is just a shop located on 28th street between 6th and 7th avenues. This shop is located on the south side of the street, and closest to 7th avenue.

They sell fancy plants inside, and outside they have a few racks with plants, mostly succulents. It's open 7 days a week, but I've never paid any attention to the business hours

I hope I haven't ignored anyone's queries, and I'm sorry for not giving everyone better directions. I had noticed this plant (red horn) or whatever it's name is. I loved it, but didn't realize it was a rare find. I did wish I could buy it, but I just don't have space for it

Not even a little corner Manuel, surely? Hope your toothache subsides :)

Gill UK

Manuel, thanks for the directions, it was either closed or I missed that store. I'm sure I can find it with above directions, don't go back on my account.

Yes =)

Thanks for the directions Manuel, sure hope you'll feel better soon.

Gill, I'm afraid I can't do it justice. As it is, I find myself running the plants up to the roof when the weather is nice and I'm home.

Ok, so, I'm reporting live from the plant shop. It's dark, but you can still see the address

Now, let me tell you about my hidden gem. Right across the street from this shop, there's a "hole in the wall" kinda place. They sell huge plants outside, but they also have some fairly big cacti. Many of these cacti are ugly. Some have scars etc. I love ugly cacti, so I like to go inside and check them out. I once bought these pair from them for only $15.00

The owner of this hole in the wall is an older, loud, Russian Lady. She pays no attention to customers, but always seems to be yelling on the phone. The go-to-guy in this place is her assistant/right hand man. He's a quiet African American man, who won't bother you in the least, but if you ask, he's eager to help. When I bought by cacti from them, he volunteered to go down to the basement to get me an appropriate card board box. This is the outside of their store:

Let me add, I was born in Cuba, but I'm the proudest New Yorker you will ever meet. I love my city, love the old, spooky building where I live by the Lincoln Tunnel, and I'm glad when I get a chance to show off all these little, hidden places.

I hope you all enjoy it as well !

As Gill mentioned above, those pictures Manuel posted are of 'Red Horn Tree', which is neither 'Gollum' or 'Hobbit', very commonly confused. 'Red Horn Tree' comes from the 'Horn Tree' jade, most commonly confused with 'Hobbit'. This is the same coloration you see in 'Hummel's Sunset' and 'Hummel's Ghost' which are variations of the common C. ovata and variegated C. ovata, respectively.

'Horn Tree' leaves are much much larger than 'Hobbit' leaves, which remain small hence it's name. The coloration is not considered variegation, though I can never remember what actually causes it - Oksana always helps me on this one.

Kim - If you are still looking for cuttings of 'Hummel's Sunset' I have been planning on giving mine a little trim and would be happy to share with you - send me a message privately if you are interested. They will not be rooted but should root very easily for you.

-Erica

O man =)

You guys are awwwwesome!

Erica; thanks for clarification, this wouldn't have made sense to me a year or so ago, but now, I can appreciate the differences you talk about. This makes me very happy =)

Manuel; thank you for the pics! I'm going to make sure to make it there this weekend. I grew up in Astoria & as a little girl in the 70's and 80's, spent lots of time in Manhattan.

As years went on, I found myself spending less and less time there but looking forward to checking out the shops & area you mentioned.

Plants are pretty expensive on LI too!! There are 2 very large garden centers with sizeable greenhouses and they are waaay waay overpriced.

Still, it doesn't stop me from haunting them, looking for great finds, but it DOES give me pause to purchase much from them.

I usually get my finds on Ebay. Not cheap, but generally, choices are plentiful & occasionally I can find something awesome that I don't mind dishing out the cash for.

GW peeps; you guys are so unbelievable awesome. I don't know anyone IRL, other than myself who would go through such lengths for a great find to add to one's ever growing collection.

For this, I thank you!

8D

Yes, that is clearly a 'Red Horn Tree,' which is the Hummel version of a large leaf 'Hobbit.' 'Hobbit' as well as 'Gollum' comes in both large and small leaf varieties.

Josh

Josh - I talked with Glen about this at the Connecticut Show and Sale. He mentioned that the smaller leaf is 'Hobbit' while the larger is 'Horn Tree'. I think in the confusion people just started referring to 'Horn Tree' as 'Hobbit' and it stuck, especially since true 'Hobbit' is much less common.

-Erica

'Hobbit' doesn't develop this particular coloration, though, so the large leaf green version of 'Hobbit' would have to be its own thing.

Josh

....unless you mean that the large leaf 'Hobbit' plant is something like 'Green Horn Tree' while the Hummel's selection is the 'Red Horn Tree'? Am I interpreting that correctly?

Josh

Manuel, thanks for giving us a little look into your area of NY, I find this kind of interaction fascinating! The shop appears to be very interesting too, I bet there are treasures galore hidden within?

Gill UK

Josh - Sorry for the confusion. You are interpreting that right. For the sake of interpretation there would be 'Green Horn Tree' and 'Red Horn Tree'. I've never heard of the true form, small leaf 'Hobbit' having a similar coloration but I've also just recently learned they are a completely different plant. I think everyone just refers to the larger form as 'Hobbit' even though it's possible it's true common name is 'Horn Tree'.

Sorry for the off-topic-ness!

Here's a picture or two for comparison ('Hobbit' has not been adjusting well since bringing it home a few weeks ago):

From left to right - 'Horn Tree', 'Hobbit', 'Red Horn Tree' not showing any fancy colors right now.

-Erica

Thanks for the photos, Erica! I haven't ever seen small leaf "hobbit" in person, the large leafed variety is much more common, at least in places I frequent. Am on the lookout now. Small leafed gollum and fingers seem more common. Not sure if I've seen large leafed gollum or fingers around here.

Maybe it's just the photos shown, but to me the pictures above by Manuel look to have more gollum style leaves than hobbit - which I've never seen with the hummels mutation/variegation - your "red horn tree" looks more hobbit-like in comparison. But maybe it's just the angle of the pictures.

I'm sure your hobbit will perk up soon enough, it looks to have some very nice shoes :) With the recent weather I feel about how it looks. I thought it was spring...

Daniel

No worries on off topic, I found my Hummel's Sunset (thanks again!), so jade away! :D

head....spinning....

8D

My head is also spinning

Gill (UK), I do love going into that hectic shop to see what that lady is carrying. I think her specialty is more wholesale. Instead of bringing all her plants inside at closing time, all the big trees remain chained outside on the sidewalk. Inside she always has a variety of big, cheap cacti. I have seen anything from moon cactus (hate them), Thanksgiving Cacti, to beautiful Rhipsalis. That was before I developed my love for hanging Rhipsalis.

These two shops I've mentioned are more isolated towards 7th avenue. On the other side, near 6th avenue, they have the more fast moving shops, and the clerks are amazingly friendly. Last year I wanted to purchase a Jade for a co worker, but didn't have enough time to drop it off at home. A few days later I was walking by, and the clerk recognized me. He smiled at me, and told me he had some beautiful Jades waiting for me. Of course I went in and bought it !!

Great finds Manuel! The flower districts are notoriously known for charging high prices for more commonly found plants. There are times if you stop by really early in the wee hours in the morning, you get massive selections from the wholesalers - mostly flowers, but I found a whole bunch of massive Echeverias (without roots) piled in boxes sold as "flower" clippings at $10. You gotta be aggressive and tell them you run a retail store and you need discounts. Chances are you'll get them if you plan to buy more.

Along with Erica and Josh, that Jade is definitely a Red Horn Tree!

Just got back. Got me a red horn tree 8D

Thank YOU Manuel!!

I also got a nice sized aeonium kiwi for 7$ and the RHT set me back 15$ as promised! It's about 8" tall in a teeny 2" pot.

Will be digging in the gritty tomorrow for sure, mother's day manicure be damned.

Pics to follow.

Walked down to union square. Prices were pretty good, found portulaca for my big planters, hoping to do all succulents this year =)

Walked down to Union Square market, I'm exhausted but it was loads of fun!

Thanks again Manuel!!!

Hookilau, I'm glad you found it and liked it. I think I saw you there. I went back there to take more pictures of this plant. There was a lady there with her husband trying to select her red horn plant. First she picked one up, then she told her husband that it was too leggy and she wanted to pick up a different one. I was surprised, because all these times that I've been there I've never seen anyone paying any attention to this particular plant.

It must've been you !!!

omg. It was =D

The one I originally had was already top heavy and I didn't want it to start out that way. Especially since it would probably end up that way anyhow. Since I had my pick, I figured I could afford to be particular 8)

I was the brown-skin lady with the curly hair & DH was wearing a mint green polo.

Too funny n_n

I remember you very well. You seemed to be very happy picking out your plants. I wanted to take more pictures, but I waited around for you to make your selection.

The way the plant tray was situated it wasn't easy to get to them. They also had more trays on the floor, in front, so that made it even harder to reach.

I'm glad it worked out.

I'm sure you agree with me that all those other tiny plants were way overpriced !

lol! No, it wasn't easy to pick through the tray & though I did score a fair sized aeonium kiwi mound 5-6" wide for 7$, the other succulents that were available can be had at my local big box store. Yes, though, they were quite pricey!

Not the only one though, there was a pot with 4 large aeoniums that the shop down the street wanted 35$ for, there was an overgrown (just the way I like 'em) ghosty that they wanted 45$ for. It only had about 5-6 stems in that big ol scraggly hanging pot.

I figured I'd just wait till my own got that big, for that price! But hey, it's Manhattan charging Manhattan prices, so I'm not mad. Rent's HIGH in NYC ;)

I wanted to make sure to only purchase ones that couldn't be had anywhere else except for online, & then I would compare prices.

My indoor collection is better than 4 dozen pots and while I'm having fun now, bringing them in for the Winter as I do, space just gets tighter & tighter!

I know you know what that's like!!

I'm trying to be picky but it's not really working,

meh =)

I went on Friday and got my own red horn tree as well :) After seeing in person, it is clearly a red horn tree and not gollum-like. They charged me $7.50 (was happily surprised) for a 2.5inch square pot that had 2 plants shoved into it.

The various succulents inside that place were a hoot - shiny ceramic white 4" pot with topdressing of sand and a very common succulent for over $50. probably full of compacted peat under the sand. Looks like they make most of their money doing fancy events (weddings, etc).

pix soon

'Red Horn Tree' is now just hitting the US after being relatively common overseas and not many people outside of this forum are really aware of what it is or that it's different/currently rare here. You won't often see the colors for some parts of the year, either. Good find!

-Erica