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Urinal for ManCave bathroom or remove bathroom all together?!

13 years ago
last modified: 13 years ago
We recently moved into our house and have a full finished basement. The issue is no matter what we do, the 1/2 bathroom keeps flooding. We want to turn the area into a "man cave" but the bathroom in the basement is in need of renovation and the toilet keeps ruining the basement floor. We have septic but the system is old and expensive to completely replace. We've had countless plumbers and techs come in and their best/most affordable solution is - DON'T use or put anything in the toilet other then pee. Not even TP! In fact, it would be better if we didn't use it at all. Well, what is the point of having a bathroom if I need to put signs up and tell guests not to "do" anything or "put" anything in that toilet. Or have to take out a garbage can full of... well, you know! Also, we do have people coming over often for poker nights, game nights, movie nights- and they are mostly guys.

I suggested to the hubby, maybe we just put a urinal in there and solve the issue of nothing but pee in there. My husband wants to remove the bathroom all together and just reroute people upstairs for the BR.

What does the forum think? Am I being too progressive in thinking a urinal would be a cool solution for a mancave? Is it better to just remove/shutdown the whole bathroom? We're open to budget friendly suggestions!
(I should mention we don't plan on selling our home anytime soon.)

Comments (21)

  • PRO
    13 years ago
    This is a very interesting dilemma - I think everyone who answers needs to post their gender!
    In redoing our basement, we added a men's toilet: urinal. ALL the men who visit it think it is the coolest thing ever, all the women look upon it with great disdain.
    And there you have it! I am a female designer and I did indulge my hubbie - but if I had my druthers I wouldn't have done it!
  • 13 years ago
    I agree with your husband--just direct people upstairs. If you were selling anytime soon I'd say definitely no. If you are not worried about resale and your husband really likes the idea and wants it, then fine, go ahead. But if he is against the idea, then what is the point of it?
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    Male. Urinal. Start saving for the septic repair:)
  • 13 years ago
    I'm the wife and I should have added we have 3 other bathrooms in the house that I've been able to use and decorate as I please. I'm like- lets do something unique and fun but the he thinks that its weird, lets just wall it up, we have 3 others in the house. I do think it would be a hit with our guests and he would dig it in the end... but I have no idea. I've never used or cleaned one!
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    I see very many posts on Houzz regarding the resale value of one kitchen over another, which one adds more value to a home etc. If one is going to stay in a house for 20 years 10 years what does it matter that far in the future what the resale value of a kitchen you are building now is.

    This is a differnt matter in my opinion. The septic must be addressed sooner or later. It may not be a matter of deducting the value of a faulty system at the time of sale but you may not be able to sell period.
  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 13 years ago
    Female. Urinal.
    But first things first -- you gotta invest in being able to flush.
    Also a small refrigerator for the beer and pepsi. (Not in the bathroom!) Keep 'em in the cave!
    In the end, though, I agree with feeny -- his space, he should get the say.
  • 13 years ago
    Not to be a buzz-kill but, I have to agree with RJ Hoppe. Your faulty septic system is a health and environmental issue. We, too, have a septic system and our Health Department would be all over a system that didn't support all bathrooms. I guess that every area is different but, as a homeowner, I would not let this go.
  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 13 years ago
    I trust that your plumbers have talked about enzymes for your septic system? Not the same as a new system, but they can do wonders for extending the life of your current system. Here's one site that talks about different enzyme products for different problems. Google for others.
    http://www.bestsepticproducts.com/shop/index.php?gclid=CJCi7PnJ97UCFZCf4AodpEgA7Q
  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 13 years ago
    My guess (just a guess here) is that the men need exercise, anyway, so they can walk upstairs to go to the bathroom. Or, when they visit, have them hold it. With three bathrooms upstairs-- if they can't walk upstairs to go to the bathroom, they have a problem. Your husband wants to remove it anyway and direct people upstairs, so what's the issue-- unless you don't want them upstairs??

    So . . . in summary, yes-- you are "too progressive" for wanting a urinal. ;) And the men need exercise anyway. I say close up that bathroom, and send 'em upstairs.

    Yes; I'm female.
  • 13 years ago
    Wow. Didn't see this kind of dilemma coming - a woman who is trying to convince hubby to put in a urinal and HE is reluctant!? Too funny! I just asked MY hubby and he says fix the septic, who wants to live in a pub?
  • 13 years ago
    Oh, yes-- and I agree with everyone above about the septic system. They freak me out anyway, but I'd agree that needs to be addressed first. (Then send 'em upstairs.) ;)
  • 13 years ago
    Oh-- and I'll add one more thing here. I visited China some years ago, and this restaurant had one bathroom. Not to get too graphic here, but -- yes-- there was a urinal there (well, a hole in the floor), and I seriously needed galoshes and a Hazmat suit. I opened the door and just turned away in horror. I still have nightmares Seriously. Thank god for a good bladder.

    So-- take that scene, and go with it. Worse case scenario. Yikes. Again, close up that bathroom; get the septic fixed, and send 'em upstairs. ;)
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    you might want to check out the Saniflo toilet system, I've been looking at it for a while now, waiting for it to be old enough to have some feedback on. I've got a similar situation and tearing up the concrete pad is not in the budget!
  • 13 years ago
    Is the basement floor lower than any part of the sewage waste pipe leading to the septic tank? Pumps to raise sewage to the proper height are common -- and commonly fail periodically.
  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 13 years ago
    Yes, that is the exact issue. Also we are built on top of a hill and the septic is at the highest point from the basement bathroom. Not sure why they did that but I think a pump replacement or upgrade is in order either way. Thanks to everyone for their comments; I'll let him be the decider on this one!
  • 13 years ago
    In that case, I think you will save yourself years of grief by getting rid of all basement plumbing. Sorry. Physics. Water flowing downhill, Machinery always failing eventually. All that sort of thing. Bummer.
  • 13 years ago
    I would fix the problem, not cover it up. Probably you need a new ejector pump or perhaps the one that you have needs repair.
  • 8 years ago

    Beer and urinal goes together. A urinal in a mans cave is an excellent idea. Keep the toilet facilities that way there won't be any accidents in the other bathrooms.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    1. Look up the health department rules on septic systems for your state. Get a state certified septic designer to look at your site and come up with a fix for your wastewater treatment system. I know this is a big expense and you would like to postpone it. However the rules are revised periodically, and everytime they are revised it gets more difficult and expensive to meet the standards.

    2. While you are getting the septic problems fixed, look at getting a small lift station with a grinder pump to handle the wastewater from your basement. The grinder pump would take the waste water from your basement and convey it to the septic tank for the first step in a series of biological wastewater treatment steps. This isn’t cheap either, but the lift station with grinder pump is a more durable solution than those household systems that tend to clog and breakdown. The septic designer should be able to help you with the lift station and grinder pump design, since many septic systems involve pumping to an up-gradient treatment system. The septic system designer might be a different person than the septic system installer. Not everyone has the licenses and equipment to do both jobs.

    3. For me, the basement powder room would be a quality of life issue. Keeping those men in the basement and out of my other bathrooms and the rest of my home would improve MY quality of life.

  • 8 years ago

    I'm a guy, and I think a urinal is a great idea. I think more homes should have them (with toilets in the same room). In your instance, it would meet 90%+ of the needs of the dwellers of the man cave.

    And, yes, dealing with the septic is a prime issue.