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Frameless shower doors - what is truly "frameless"?

10 years ago

We want to install a sliding glass door. It appears that if the shower door slides, there's a frame on the top, but it's still called "frameless". Does a true Framless only apply to swinging doors?

They all seem to be that way unless I go custom and get some sort of barn door type of attachment. Not sure we want to spend the $$ for that.

We are going to have chrome fixtures and prefer clear glass. But if I have a top bracket, it seems to look better in a satin finish. OK to have a satin finish shower door (only at the top) or should this be chrome, too to match the faucets/shower head?

We do not have the room for the swinging door. This is a very small bathroom (only enough room for a toilet and 30" vanity). We think if we go with a swinging door, it will hit the toilet so we've ruled that out. Room is only 5 feet wide.

Comments (28)

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    We have used the Kohler Levity Barn style sliding door with success. Here is a link for you to view. I would recommend using the thicker glass, 5/16" not 1/4".

    clubnev thanked (Lynn Goodwin) McAdams Remodeling & Design LLC
  • 10 years ago

    Frameless refers to a frame around the door panel itself.

    clubnev thanked millworkman
  • 10 years ago
    Thank you. Now I know what "frameless" really means. That is a beautiful glass door. I'll show this to my contractor.
  • 10 years ago
    no matter what they call it, it is a mold farm and cleaning problem. I hate our shower doors.
  • 10 years ago
    What kind do you have and do you have the coating on the doors?
  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Do you have enough room to simply use a TRUE frameless stationary heavy glass panel with unobtrusive clips, and leave an opening to get in?

    clubnev thanked JAN MOYER
  • 10 years ago
    We used a barn style door frameless shower that was custom and ended up being about the same cost as that Koehler example. We love it.
    clubnev thanked rgaidagreen
  • 10 years ago

    Here is a pic. This will be converted to a shower. I don't think we have enough room for a door. The bathroom is only 5 feet wide. The toilet takes up a good part of that. Seems that the door would hit the toilet. The Toilet is being replaced (along with everything else) but we put in an elongated toilet with a smaller tank. I will not gain any length. If I swing the door the other way, so that the door goes against the wall, that would hit the towel hooks that we plan to have there. We could move the hooks. But I think it would be awkward to get in the shower, you'd have to go by the toilet to open the door. Seems to me a slider would be easier but I am open to ideas.

    Still that door and the other Kohler sliding door are much more attractive than Basco's standard slider. I can't get past that ugly bar at the top. If it was much thinner, I could live with it. But it's so big.

    Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I was pleased to see the price point of the Kohler door - at retail it is below $1000. Kohler's on-line mgr's prices are really inflated which makes this a possibility for our budget, knowing we will pay less.

  • 10 years ago

    I beg to differ about "truly frameless" .. which - as I understand - means there is no frame anywhere on the glass; no header or bottom track. The way it's been explained to me, is that some manufacturers say that only the door needs to be frameless .. so they can provide a less expensive framed shower, but advertise it as the more desirable "frameless" style.

    clubnev thanked evierh
  • 10 years ago

    Yeah that's my definition of frameless, also. Not sure what we have room for. We're thinking of a fixed shower frame with no sliders and no hinges. But not sure we have the room for that, either - the opening would have to be pretty small.

  • 10 years ago

    Agree. If it's pretty and popular, the price will be jacked up, that's for sure.

  • PRO
    10 years ago
    With the constraints of the space and toilet, would it be possible to make the space a "wet" room. This is common in other countries. It would mean no cabinet for sink that isn't designed for Wet space. You wood need floor drain as well. But if you are not on a slab and have access below for plumbing changes that might solve the problem. I did this recently in a new home build for a client who had a disabled family member. We could then make floor flat for easy wheel chair entry. Worked like a charm and looks really clean and sharp. Easy to clean too!
    clubnev thanked Flo Mangan
  • 10 years ago
    Frameless applies to swing doors. Sliding doors will always have some type of framing, either on top or all around. You are looking at semi-frameless sliding doors.
    clubnev thanked Carol Johnson
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Do you think I have room for something like this? I only have 5 feet across for the shower. These aren't expensive, offer a clean look and I don't have to mess with water in the slider.

    Or am I better off with something like this?

    OR:

    Using the picture below as an example, where the door is on the left is a fixed wall and we will hang towel hooks there. I'd need about 5-6" for the hinge on the left and the door couldn't open much wider than 90 degrees so it won't hit the towel hooks. . On the right, the fixed panel needs to be at least 28" so the door opening is past the toilet. That leaves me about 30" for a door in the middle:

    Would that work?

  • 10 years ago

    We needed a tall one and ended up ordering it from framelessshowerdoors.com
    I looked everywhere for what we needed and they either were too short or too expensive...for a 1/2", shipping included, it was almost 2k..this is for 32 sqft (panels and door)

  • 10 years ago

    Flo, that's a great idea but we can't change the plumbing on the floor. We looked into that.

  • PRO
    10 years ago
    Bummer. But I do think you could install a partial glass enclosure with no door and that would beat cleaning tracks etc. just has to be tempered glass. You could get glass with some distortion like rain glass if that would appeal.
    clubnev thanked Flo Mangan
  • 10 years ago

    Good that is what I am hoping to do. Going to get clear glass with the coating on it since I have a decorative inlay in the shower wall. Yes, I will get it tempered glass. Do you think I'm better off with just a fixed glass or a an actual door? Only concern I have with the fixed glass is water coming out the back - we have a hand held shower. But then, I plan to put a rug/towel bath mat in front of the entrance when we shower.

    The shower has been a challenge because we can't change much of the plumbing configuration.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    If you are a bit careful, no big problem. Bath mat and a quick check after a shower does the trick. Easier than cleaning that darn tracking!

    clubnev thanked Flo Mangan
  • 10 years ago

    anything you can do to avoid those tracks..We have them in the master and I curse them every time I clean them

  • 10 years ago

    I thought about that. I think the hinge would have to be on the left, which isn't a problem. Thanks.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Opening to the inside is very awkward, especially depending on the relationship of the door to the on/off faucet. Also, getting in and out. But it is an option.

    clubnev thanked Flo Mangan
  • 10 years ago

    I think you can have the door to open towards the outside. The door is usually 28" wide and I think that is enough space to be able to open it and not hit the toilet. The configuration of the door would be the same as the one posted by Brandy above

    clubnev thanked printesa
  • 10 years ago

    I did think about an inside opening being awkward because the shower area is really small and my hubby is very broad shouldered. If a door is only 28" wide, that would be enough room. I'm hoping I won't need a door at all.

  • 10 years ago

    @Brandi Nash Hicks, others - Code requires the shower door open outward for safety.

  • PRO
    10 years ago
    I know that is code here but I wasn't sure. Good idea to check out local codes.