Four stud chinas?

10 years ago

So, I got Jeri's wonderful latest edition of the Gold Coast Rose newsletter. In it, she talks about Guoliang Wang, and the GROW celebration at the Huntington.

Evidently he has discovered a lost one of the "four china stud" roses - 'Park's Yellow Tea-scented china'. Of course, he discovered it in China, which is where Park found it in the first place. Great news!

So, my question for those of you who know these things (as I am completely ignorant), and know the latest thoughts on the matter, does this mean that ALL FOUR of the stud chinas have been found? As I recall, two of them were never lost - one is Old Blush, and another odorata. The other two were lost. Then 'Slaters Crimson China' was found in Bermuda in the 1950s, and now Park's Yellow Tea-scented china is found? I know controversies on subjects like this never end, but what is generally accepted info? What does this mean for rose hybridizers or others doing DNA research on roses? Just wondering. (of course, every time I write the names of old china roses which were "discovered" by Englishmen in the early 19th century, I giggle - those roses were probably loved and grown by the Chinese for hundreds of years).

On a related subject, does anyone have any info regarding WHEN Guoliang Wang's book will be out in English?

Jackie

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jerijen

10 years ago

Oh, and Robin -- I bred Dalmatians for years ... starting in the breed in 1971. I never bred in quantity, but titled dogs when I did breed.

Now, my husband and I have three rescued Long-Coat Dalmatians. They've done obedience and agility, and are active Therapy Dogs, visiting libraries, schools, convalescent facilities, and the local hospital.

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Comments (8)

jerijen
10 years ago
There are a couple of roadblocks to an English version of the book.

One is that a translator must be found who is well-grounded in botanical language in both languages. Not an easy requirement to meet.

The other is that it will cost a whole big bundle of money -- and thus far, no one who wants to see it done has won a Power-Ball Lottery. <G>

As for the "Four Stud Chinas," well ... it's really a lot more complex than that. Not everything that is remontant descends from a neatly-packaged "Four Stud Chinas" so as much fun as the term is (and as a dog breeder, it really tickles me) it's probably an outdated term.

But the Parks Yellow discovery really excites me! I'd love to see that come to the U.S.
fig_insanity Z7b E TN
10 years ago
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I have the "fake", "in commerce as", Park's Yellow. Whatever it IS (Fée Opale?), it's going to be a monster. It's the most robust rose I've ever grown from a band. I'd love, love, love to have the real thing. I'd love to have the English version of Guoliang Wang's book even more. Having it translated will be at the top of my list when I win the lottery and/or Publisher's Clearing House (might as well think big!), lol.

John
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Anne Zone 7a Northern CA
10 years ago
I think that there is still much controversy over 'Hume's Blush'. I find that someone finding a rose and declaring it the old lost rose is a little sketchy when we have only illustrations and varying descriptions to go on. I would like to see more dna analysis (of course there is the who is going to pay for those problem) before lost and found roses are declared to be a certain rose. Sometimes people see what they want to see. I think the Noisette Studies are a very good example of good protocol. Now there is both Beale's 'Hume's Blush', a rose found in China in Pingwa, and a Laos version which was collected by Dr. Y. Ueda in 1999 at the home garden of a farmer in Pakxong, Champasak, southern Laos., a found Bermuda Rose, "Bermuda Spice" and "Agnes Smith" from Australia which all are vying for the title. Is this the same rose Hume had in his garden that he brought back from China? I just don't know. I look forward to reading about 'Park's Yellow Tea-Scented Rose'. Speaking of tea scented I know there is controvery there too. I have found that many dried roses when I deadhead them smell like dried tea. Yes, another idea of the name "Tea Rose" :). It is all fun though, controversy gets people thinking and excited.
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
10 years ago
Does anyone know if there is DNA for the lost roses available, such as dried specimens anywhere? DNA analysis has gotten MUCH cheaper, but of course you have to have some DNA from the original rose...

Jackie
Robin Lemke
10 years ago
Is there a way to subscribe to this newsletter? I'd love to read up on the stud China's. :) Also, OT, but I'd love to know what kind of dogs you breed, Jeri. :) I have a basset hound and love following many basset breeders...
Anne Zone 7a Northern CA
10 years ago
You could also compare to known offspring, I think. Seeing as they are "Studs".
jerijen
10 years ago
Robin -- I think she was talking about the Gold Coast Heritage Roses Group quarterly -- "Gold Coast Roses". SEE:
http://www.goldcoastrose.org/

There is also an excellent quarterly Newsletter from the Heritage Roses Group -- the "Rose Letter". SEE:
http://www.theheritagerosesgroup.org/

Both websites have back issues that you can read on line, and are available for subscription/membership either digitally, or in print.