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Talk me off the ledge regarding using Amish/Mennonite Cabinet makers.

9 years ago

Originally I was going to use Shiloh cabinets for my new build. That included not only the kitchen cabinets, but the cabinets between the living room/kitchen, my fireplace wall and my master bath vanity. First quote came in $20,000 over budget.

To bring costs down, it meant I lost the upper glass cabinets I wanted, instead putting in "fake cabinets". It also meant that instead of the quarter sawn oak I wanted for my fireplace, bathroom vanity and kitchen island, I would have to use regular oak. Instead of plywood boxes, I had to use MDF. It also meant I was limited in the grid pattern I could use in the glass cabinet doors. Plus I couldn't do the corner drawers like I wanted and would have needed to use a dead corner or a super susan which I hate.

Here's the link to the thread where I discussed losing the uppers.

I live in an area with a large Amish/Mennonite population. Just out of curiosity a few weeks ago, I made an appointment with one place that had good reviews on Yelp and Google. The cabinets they had in the shop were gorgeous. The quality was obvious. Not only that, but they felt more substantive. Yes they use Blum hardware on all their cabinets and yes the could do anything I wanted.

The gentleman knew I wasn't in a rush but promised that after he finished up a few jobs he'd get to work on mine. That was about 3 weeks ago. True to his word, he called me last week to show me what he had come up with.

So today I met with him (along with the builder's designer) where he presented me with a hand drawn plan. (He only likes computers for email. LOL.) There were a few mistakes in terms of cabinet sizes in the kitchen, but nothing that was major. But where the designer for Shiloh totally missed on the bookcase cabinets and the fireplace wall, this guy nailed those cabinets!

And the kicker is his pricing came in $20,000 UNDER budget and I get my quarter sawn oak for the fireplace wall, kitchen island and bathroom vanity. I also get cabinets to the ceiling in my 10' high kitchen with glass cabinets just as I designed them and in any grid pattern I want on the doors.

The cabinets are built in Ohio, and I'm in FL. So my question is should I be worried? Should I ask for references? They have a huge furniture store and do lots of really beautiful custom furniture and I've seen pictures of their kitchens online, plus the examples in the store.

Any thoughts? Suggestions? Has anyone worked with the Amish/Mennonites and what was your experience? Both positive or negative?

Additionally I let him know that if it all worked out, that once we were in the house, we'd have more work for him for other projects.

(Being a New Yorker by birth, it almost seems too good to be true.)

Comments (116)

  • 9 years ago

    Macswim, you and I are on the same page. :)

  • 9 years ago

    Do you, by chance live in Sarasota, Florida?

    We moved here 4 years ago and there's a large Mennonite population in the area. They recently opened a furniture store nearby and I took a quick look at dinning room tables. Never occurred to me that they did kitchen cabinets.

    Their tables and chairs are all solid wood, heavy! I was so impressed by the stains and finishes.

    I believe they are Mennonites not Amish. They use electricity but ride on bicycles only.

    Did you hire a kitchen designer or use them to design your kitchen? I need to do a whole kitchen gut but I need walls moved so its a bit complicated.

    I think you sold me on getting prices from them for the kitchen cabinets.

    Jane

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  • 9 years ago

    @beenzmail I'd love the name of the people you worked with. I'm not too far from you :)

    cpartist thanked J D
  • 9 years ago

    Jane I messaged you.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    When the Amish in Florida take a break from cabinet building, they take digital pictures of themselves at the beach.

    cpartist thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • 9 years ago

    Joseph I messaged you! :)

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Yes, I got it. Thanks.

    cpartist thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • 9 years ago

    Your private thoughts?

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    @JD I didn't see an option to message you if you would like to "talk" more privately. I used http://www.houzz.com/pro/kustomkabinetry/kustom-kabinetry I have nothing but positive things to say about our experience. They can make anything you dream happen. They use computer mock ups and e-mail. A few small issues that occurred were fixed immediately and to my satisfaction. Please let me know how you make out. Good luck!

    cpartist thanked beenzmail
  • 9 years ago

    We will be getting prices from an Amish company in Central Il. They only work with Kitchen Designers (they do not design) and have non-Amish drivers that deliver cabinets all over the US. Our KDs installer will do our install if we go with them.

    we toured their factory with our KD and were amazed at the ingenuity and craftsmanship. Who knew that so much could be accomplished without electricity. Impressive place and impressive people.

    https://www.dhhinfo.com/



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  • 9 years ago

    cp - glad you get to go with the Amish! they did an awesome job on our addition. we always figured the main part of the house might fall apart but the addition they built would last forever.

    if anyone knows of any Amish woodworkers in the Phx AZ area (SE of Phx), let me know. I could use a good cabinet maker myself!

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  • PRO
    9 years ago

    "Your private thoughts?"


    You're on the right track. Nothing to add.

    cpartist thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    " Who knew that so much could be accomplished without electricity."


    Pfffft. I've seen Amish furniture with pneumatically driven nails. You can't drive nails with air without making electricity to make air. They use electricity; it may be home made and off the grid, but don't kid yourself.


    How's cutie gonna get the pictures off that camera in the above picture without electricity?


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  • 9 years ago

    Thanks Joseph. Just making sure there's been no negatives you know of with my choice. :)

  • 9 years ago

    "Cutie" is not Amish. She's Mennonite. Amish don't use cameras or allow images of themselves.

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  • 9 years ago

    Joseph..I'm not trying to be naive. But when we toured the showroom and factory there was no electricity. At least none That I could see. The lights were all gas powered and they used hydraulics that were fueled with natural gas (if I am remembering correctly).

    That doesn't mean there is no electricity anywhere. Even the websites that describe the Amish life discuss the use of diesel powered generators for some electricity for minor things.

    i think there is a fairly big difference between Amish and Mennonite. I can't imagine these illinois Amish out taking pictures of each other on the beach.

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  • 9 years ago

    I agree that the people in the picture are Mennonite. The store where I'll be getting my cabinets are Mennonite.

  • 9 years ago

    I skimmed the posts, but did not have to time to read them all. Four years ago, I ordered my cabinets from a Mennonite company in Sarasota that has them built in Ohio. I'm not sure if you are referring to the same company, but I have been nothing, but pleased with the quality of the cabinets and the customer service. I have white painted cabinets with four kids, a dog, cat, etc. and they still look great. I loved that they were happy to accommodate any request I had in adjusting the layout. The lighting is not great in this picture, but it gives you an idea of what they built for me. Good luck.

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  • 9 years ago

    Thank you, thank you, thank you Katherine.

    I just looked on the company's web site and found your kitchen, so yes, it's the same. I'm thrilled to hear you were very happy with them. I just got such a nice feeling from them when I went there to talk to them and he really understood my vision from the start.

    It looks like they also did your fireplace wall? Honestly, I think I am less worried about the cabinets at this point then the rest of our build. LOL.

  • 9 years ago

    I might hesitate if I wanted a painted finish, especially if you use your cabinets hard. We have a stained walnut, and couldn't be happier. I'm in north/central NJ and used a (guessing Mennonite) cabinetmaker in PA who delivered and installed. The cabinets are stunning, the fit is perfect. I had no prior experience w/him or references. I took a drive over to the shop and was impressed, but sort of took a flier, which paid off handsomely. Where it really pays off is in the extras - things like extra deep cabinets, or in our case a higher end wood and inset cabs are a fraction of the price a semi-custom charges for those upgrades.

    if anyone wants a reference, I'd be happy to do so.

    cpartist thanked freeoscar
  • 9 years ago

    freeoscar-

    I live in Central Jersey and would love to have your reference.

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  • 9 years ago

    Thank you freeoscar. Yes I'm doing painted perimeters but am not worried because I'm not too hard on my cabinets and I've seen the cabinets in his showroom which are painted and still look brand new.

  • 9 years ago
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    I hesitate whether to post this but I'm going to take the plunge and rain a little on all this. My comment may be of no concern to many who love the excellent and affordable work the Amish and Mennonites do. But many others may care, so here goes. Most people are unaware that the Amish and Mennonite communities are full of highly talented woodworkers who are also owners of absolutely horrific puppy mills. Amish especially are very well known to SPCAs and other rescue groups. They see dogs as a crop, just like a plant. Just google Amish puppy mill and you won't believe what you'll find. So if you care about animals, I would not do ANY business with any Amish or Mennonite with personally seeing every inch of every building on their property. I needed custom cabinetry in my recent remodel and had a VERY tight budget, so I thought about this route. But I own a dog rescued from one of these horror shows and she has lifelong physical and mental challenges from her life there. I decided I would forego anything coming out of these communities for this reason - no amount of savings was worth the risk that I was giving money to someone who had some barn on the back of his property with animals living in squalor. I feel bad posting this, but the sweetest dog in the world is lying beside me right now, and she deserves for people to know. Stepping off soapbox now...

  • 9 years ago

    Just got the news today that all the cabinet companies insurance, etc is good to go. So we will be using the Mennonite cabinet guy. So excited because the quality can't be beat.

  • 9 years ago

    Katherine L, can you please message me? Met with the cabinet guy today and now his son is taking over.

  • 9 years ago

    Freeoscar, you don't have your message feature set up. Would you please message me with your cabinetmaker info? Your kitchen is beautiful!

  • 9 years ago

    @cpartist Are you still going thru with this company? Either way, would you mind messaging their contact info? Thank you!

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  • 9 years ago

    Avocadogirl, are you in SW FL or nearby?

  • 9 years ago

    @cpartist I am in Ohio and looking at various cabinet makers. Can you message me the name of the company you used and hope your experience went?

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Deborah:

    If you're in NW Ohio, give Leonard Pudlicki a call. John Brunke is just over the Michigan line. Can't get any better.

  • 9 years ago

    I'm sorry but Im working through a store in Florida that deals directly with the cabinet maker, so don't know who it is

  • 9 years ago

    kooopons can you email me I am looking for cabinetry from someone trustworthy for our new home in PA. Chad_young_1@yahoo.com

  • 9 years ago

    Again, I'm sorry but I'm using a store in my part of FL. They do not travel to PA.

  • 8 years ago

    Who the guy you are using??

  • 8 years ago

    Sherry, where in FL do you live?

  • 8 years ago

    @Deborah Sigg - I'm here in SW Ohio (Cincinnati) and looking for Amish cabinetry. Did you find a maker?

  • 8 years ago

    would love an amish cabinet contact for southern new jersey

  • 8 years ago

    kristin - we used this place - not sure how far they are travelling these days. Been installed for a year and a half now and we couldn't be happier with them.

    http://www.weaverscustomwoodworking.com/index.html

  • 8 years ago
    @cpartist, any updates? Id love to know who you used. I live in a northern Virginia and am searching for cabinets that are a good value. If anyone can recommend cabinet makers or carpenters, I’d really appreciate it.
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  • 8 years ago

    Hi Camille, I do have a thread showing the updates. There are some things that needed changing and they won't be in until May 4th. Here is the [updated thread.[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/i-have-countertops-dsvw-vd~5155564)

    Unfortunately my guy is in Florida and he doesn't travel outside of the state.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    I tried to get a bid from the Amish people - I'm in KY; they are in Southern IN. I met the Mennonite sales person (he also drive the Amish and the cabinets to the installs) at the showroom not far from my house. Took pictures on my iPad, measurements etc. Asked for a ballpark estimate based on these. Salesman asked me to email the pictures to him - also the measurements (he had "forgotten" to bring paper to write on!). I tried to do this when I got home. Email bounced. Tried going on the website; it was down. Continued trying to reach these people. Website finally came back up and had a phone number; left multiple messages. Never heard from them again.

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  • 8 years ago
    That’s unfortunate Anglophilia! What cabinet brand did you end up using?
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  • PRO
    8 years ago

    I ended up using Shiloh and I could not be more happy. Also had a great KD company who did an outstanding job and were very responsive and easy to work with (and I was a very demanding client as I knew exactly what I wanted!).

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  • 7 years ago

    @Cpartist or Katherine L - Would you mind messaging me with the name of the company that you used in Ohio? I live about 40 minutes north of Millersburg and would like to price cabinets with them. Both of your kitchens are beautiful, btw. Thank you!

  • 7 years ago
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    a_hem —- I’m not familiar with Ohio and where Millersberg is. I’m outside of Pittsburgh and stumbled onto this website Ohioamishcabinet.com I communicated a few times with the owner. He is he go between for the customer and Amish. I don’t think we’re going to go with them because 3 hours away is just too far for us. The estimate was pretty great though!

  • 7 years ago

    Not sure why the link keeps coming up wrong— it’s Ohio Amish Cabinet . Com

  • 7 years ago

    I'm sorry I'm no longer commenting on houzz.

  • 7 years ago

    Well, I don't really "like" your post, but I like it. My messaging thingy on H is not working. I will PM as soon as it is again. You are one of the reasons I liked this place to begin with.

  • 5 years ago

    I live in Ohio and just purchased an Amish made dining set. Great quality. I looked at Costco and our local large furniture stores. Quality was just not there. Also looked at comparably priced Canadel dining sets. Looked nice but reviews pushed me away.


    What I learned is that most of the Costco Asian made furniture, as well as large furniture stores, are made with rubber wood. Malaysian oak is rubber wood. It is significantly inferior and explains why so many Costco reviewers complain about loose screws. Screws pull out of this inferior wood. Also, reading about rubberwood furniture explains why so many people complain about strong smells from their furniture. Rubberwood is loaded with insects and must be heavily fumigated. It takes several years for the gases to be released.


    Rubberwood has a great marketing campaign, and misleading blogs to enhance the image. Hope this is useful to someone.

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  • 2 years ago

    I live in NJ and had cabinets built by Amish in PA about 15 years ago for a home I used to own. Large kitchen project in an older home. I would do it again. The quality was far superior to anything you will get anywhere else and when I redo the kitchen in my Sarasota home...Ill be visiting the Amish crafters again. They are skilled and hosnest...a pleasure to do business with.