I have a 6 year old Optima that has given me issues. I've replaced the intake valve twice and now a piece fell out from inside and my panel is now loose. It's also not cleaning like it used to and when I run a clean cycle it's all sudsy in the bottom. I suspect a rinse aid leak. Sigh. Was thinking I'd just switch to Bosch but now I don't know. The newest Miele machines are nicer.

Licebetter: so sorry that you are haveing troubles with your machine.

What do you mean with loose panel?

If you have rinseaidleak, are refilling the dispenser often? You can replace the dispenser, it cheaper than a new machine. I have had Bosch , any years ago, bought in 1996. It was a good machine but I had alot of problems with it during the 6 years I lived in that house. Since haveing Miele I will never go to another brand, I love the rackdesign. Jave look at my neibours new Bosch and I hate the layout of the racks.

A small white plastic piece fell out the other day and now my stainless front panel (I have the hidden panel with stainless front) is loose. I have to call Miele re my washing machine so I guess they can deal with this while they're here. Just annoying that it's built to last 25 years and this will be my third service call in 6 years. Added up would pay for half a new machine. If I knew how to post a video I'd show you what I mean by loose but I don't lol.

My Miele La Perla II has tons of cycles, including SensorWash and Normal. I believe SensorWash is called Automatic for some regions.

I use SensorWash about 90% of the time. The time is roughly 2 hours, and it cleans so phenomenally well. Amazing!! I find Normal to clean subpar, compared to SensorWash. Normal is not bad, but SensorWash is excellent.

Sometimes I use Heavy Soil, Pots and Pans and Starch/Cheese...but they are intense, and SensorWash is perfect 99.99% of the time! LOVE my dishwasher!!! It has never needed a repair, service or part replacement. It is almost 10 years old. OMG, I am jinxing myself, right?! LOL

I recently found that pots and pans leaves things nicer than normal turbo. Normal turbo is leaving everything all streaky. It's like it doesn't rinse properly.

Ok, it is your front. That must be an easy fix. If everything comes out streaky there is something wrong with either detergent, watersoftner, rinsaid, do not belive that is something else. You already thing you got a leak in yiur rinseaid compart, ent. Fill the rinseaid and make a note on what date you did it and when it is time again check how much time has pasted, also check what setting you have it on. Also check what setting yiur watersoftner is on.

Now what detergent are you useing? Do you prerinse or just scrape?

It is always important to choose correct cykle to how dirty your load is.

With my old machine it took me a long time to find the right detergent. I used cascade platinum, almost never anything dirty, only if overloaded.

The new Miele dishwasher detergent are exelent, even a normal soiled load on guick powerwash 58 min is clean and dry.

Please report back and we will help some more.

Larsi: yeah your sensorwash is automatic were I am. I only use that overnight here due to over 3 hour wash time. Use normal 55c most and quick powerwash second. I got 6 different cycles on my machine plus rinse hold.

Love love love this machine but wish I had the model ups racks, those are better.

Larsi

I have the La Perla I purchased in 2006. I also use the sensor cycle 90% of the time. On Monday I use heavy soil since I am washing dishes from Friday lunch through Monday breakfast...no dishes done over a weekend..they just sit inside scraped but not rinsed, but I only started doing that 2 months ago just to use a different cycle I guess. Before that I used the sensor cycle for that load and it did just fine.

I use the cheese cycle when I have potatoes au gratin and it completely cleans the glass caserol dish.

No cheese, pasta, or heavy soil cycles on the new models, but pots and pans uses the same temperature as our cheese cycle does so pretty sure it will give identical performance. Heavy soil is only using 149F water, cheese at 169F. On new models pots and pans uses 169F(70c).

Jerrod, you should post some pics of how you load your dishwasher! (he's really good at it)

I'll have to see if I have any because I might have deleted them. Thanks for the compliment. I am just doing my thing I guess.

I checked and I have deleted all pictures of my DW loads. I guess I will have to take some.

One thing that is new for USA customers is that the user manuals for the new series now contain consumption information for each cycle. Eu and other areas were always getting this information so now the manual shows how much electricity and water each cycle uses. Energy using hot and cold water is shown.

Some of the new models also now use a heat exchanger that saves previous heated water and uses it to preheat water for the next step that will use hot water, such as from the wash to the last rinse. The heat exchanger technology has been in use in Europe but I think this is the first time I have seen it used in North America.

One interesting thing is that the DW uses less electricity to heat it's own water than is used if you have an electric water heater keeping hot water on standby, so they recommend using a cold fill if you want to really save electricity. Of course a cold fill increases the cycle time by about 30 minutes...at least that's what I see in the user manual for a DW similar to the one I have.

"I checked and I have deleted all pictures of my DW loads."

I still have some in my email in-box. :)

Lord I don't know what will be coming, but please post them if you like. E mail inbox? must be the last set I email to you. Anyway go ahead and post them.

You don't know what will be coming? As if you had ever sent me NSFW pics. I'm still waiting for those! *lol* Anyway...

OK..You got me. I did find these pics in my sent email folder; didn't look there. They were sent January 24, and says that this is a load from Friday afternoon through Monday morning. It mentions a cheese grater on top of items in the middle basket so cheese and pasta soil was in this load, but I think I used the heavy soil cycle because I said it lasted 2:18 which was good for winter incoming water temps. Anyway thanks for find these.

This was half Miele tab with a full load. I don't rinse unless it's tomato sauce but just wipe major pieces off. Normal turbo setting. At 40 min and 22 min left. There's no rinse aid in there anymore.

22 min left - still suds. Not sure if this is normal. I'll check the glasses when done. I'll read manual again because I have different settings.

I mainly use Normal Turbo but lately found the pots and pans leaving things nicer. Pots and pans puts the detergent in earlier than normal so I'm guessing it does more rinses.

This is the streaking I referred to. This isn't bad. It's been worse.

You clearly got something going on. I use 1 hole miele tab for a load, never got that much foam unless I spilled some rinseaid filling the dispenser.

Or your watersoftner are over softning your water. When my old machine gave up, bought in 2008, It had a watersoftner problem I was not avere of until Miele tac did his computer diagnostics.

Try this: fill your rinseaid despenser with water, top it up with every wash so it is full, after a few washes it should only be water in it if it leaks or dispenses it all at the same time, now check if the foaming and streaking gets better, if it does you know whats wrong and you can decide if you wanna fix it or not.

It never used to do this. I didn't know it could have a softener issue. That could be it then. Just a bummer this is third service call in 6 years. My washer needs service as well so I guess I'll do both.

@livenetter, which Miele tabs are you using? I've experienced your level of sudsing as well. So much so, I had to stop using them, the suds were bogging down the motor; even with half a tab. This is in a La Perla II. Our water is naturally very soft, therefore, no salt in the softener.

Miele have reformulated the tabs to work with their new speed programme. The new ones are much better- no suds, also in their performance.

I've never been a fan of the Normal cycle on my La Perla II, Miele seem to have had the bright idea to only have one rinse after the main wash. Even with my programming an extra rinse and higher water level from the super secret, these instructions will self destruct after you've read them, tech menu; it still doesn't rinse as well as the other programmes.

HTH

The last tabs I bought were the new ones. I use salt - local hardness is 8.6 gr/gal so I have it set for 6 since I can't imagine softer water with this suds issue.

Based on my programs is pots pans the best choice? It definitely rinses better. Normal definately only does one rinse which I think is crazy. I sometimes run an express cycle after to rinse better.

I wondered how these new tabs would perform. I read that the previous"new" tabs were sudsy, so I never bought them. Right now I use Finish quantum.

The normal cycle on all machines, washers and DW of every brand may not work to anyone's satisfaction if you are in the USA and possibly Canada because our EPA has mandated that the cycle used for energy conservation ratings has to be named normal. I think this started in 2007. As a result machines use as little electricity and as little water as they can..this may be one rinse. It doesn't matter if that's healthy or really works well or not. Low water temperatures are used as well, so no heavy cleaning is going to happen either.

Normal on my machine uses a lower temperature, but since it was made before the EPA was concerned about water use, the normal cycle on my machine uses more water than any other cycle, doing two pre washes trying to get at the hot water from the water heater and filling the entire bottom of the machine, even though other cycles just cover the center filter with water. Normal is the only cycle I never use.

I think if all if the rinse aid has drained from the tank in 1 hour then that is definitely a problem. The part you may need is called the combi-dispenser I think...the detergent and the rinse aid is all one part, but definitely cheaper than a new DW, however the new models ARE very nice.

Wish you all the best.

Pots and pans = better than normal

That makes sense. I never use normal on my washing machine either but I always felt pots and pans was too intense for daily washing. Maybe it's basically old school power lol.

You might try China Crystal for normal non stuck on soil. I even think that cycle on your machine might use a soil Sensor. Check your manual in the program chart. If you see the words "as required" listed in cycle segments a soil sensor is being used.

Only thing is that the temperature range may be lower, but the rinsing may be good.

If you have a rinse agent leak, wouldn't your refill light be on more often. Then you know for sure you have a leak.

I tend to top it up regularly so that wouldn't work for me. I know it didn't do this before though so must be something wrong.

I think your normal may be my Eco cycle due to the fact it is that one the machine get its rating from.

I dont think china and crystal would be god for day to day use because it is the one cycle with the lowest temp out of them all, also when I use that one I use liquid detergent for it to disolve fast in the colder water.

I never refill rinseaid or salt until the light comes on. I feel with my new machine there must have been a leak in my rinseaid despenser to because I was constantly refilling mine about once a week to 10 days. Now I have done 18 washes and not neede to refill.

Got out the manual. Looks like China and express are the only sensor using modes.

I generally use Sensor Wash or if I need a little oomph, the Sani wash for everyday loads. P and P is a pretty aggressive cycle, so don't use that one as much.

Sani always sounded more aggressive but looking at this chart I guess not. It's odd because the few times I've used P&P I hear the detergent door open during the first phase. This shows a pre rinse (?)

Sani is really just a higher temp for the last rinse. I haven't had any increase in etching with regular use.

Have you confirmed the door opening in the first phase? Mine does 2 pre-rinses before the main wash, with an audible opening click at the beginning of the wash. You may want to have the tech check your machine while he's there for the washer.

I would change the detergent first and see what happens. Try half a Method smartie tab (cut with a scissors) or 1 Ecover tab or 1 Grab Green tab. Don't think you will see that level of suds.

Also I would call them and tell them you are getting streaking. They can adjust the rinse temp over the phone by telling you what to press. That should take care of it.

China crystal is on my machine and I've used it for some regular loads without stuck on foods. The temperature is lower but I think it is varied between 113F and 118F(I found this for my machine on the Australian Miele web site),and when I did a rough measure of the water temp for the normal cycle it was never hotter than 118F. At least it might do more than 1 rinse. Anyway we need to solve this oversudsing.

I tend not to have overly dirty loads. I used the china setting tonight with Oxy detergent and things came out much nicer. Still a bit of foam at the end but minimal and no streaking on glasses.

Linus- sorry it took me so long to check back in and see your question. My Miele says that it's a FUTURA. I don't know what series.

I clearly have a problem. This was 1/4 Miele tab on P&P. This was half way through an express cycle because of foam. No additional detergent in the express (obviously). No rinse aid so assuming this is a softener issue,

Just call Miele and have them come out and do pc-check on your machine to se what fault codes are on. Might be an easy fix. Just to make sure, have set the softner to its correct setting?

Yes. It's set correctly. I double checked. Since this seems to have only started awhile ago it must be a fault of some kind. Thanks.

I can crank my softener all the way up and never get suds. To me, this still looks like some sort of chemical residue. I think Larsi has set his whole house softener to deliver zero hardness and I don't think he has issues in his Miele.

That being said, I remember an old post from years ago, where someone consistently got tons of suds in his washer during self clean cycles. It turned out that his water would suds up on its own when heated and agitated.

Livebetter - which model do you have?

I have the optima. This happens when I run cleaning cycle too. It never used to happen which is the curious part.

Are you in our Facebook group, livebetter?

Have you tried a dishwasher cleaner like Somat or Finish? Where I live Finish is sold in the stores,but I have to order Somat.

I think you said the DW has no more rinse aid in it, so maybe run a empty machine with the cleaner.

You used the oxi detergent on China crystal not much suds, you used 1/4 Miele tab and suds. Have you tried Finish quantum, or Finish powder?

I use the quantum tabs and when I want a prewash I fill the prewash cup with the powder...i get limited suds with these.

I'm not in the FB group - can I search it?

I use Finish cleaner or Lemishine and major foam. Again, never used to happen. Takes a few express cycles to remove the foam.

I have the Quantum pods. Haven't used in a while. I think they were too much detergent so I went to 1/2 Miele tab or Oxy powder I could dose smaller.

Have you tried running a full load with no detergent to see if you get foam?

Maybe Larsi can send you an invitation.

I asked because I could post the service manual on Facebook... but you can look it up online as well. Just google "miele g 1000 2000 service manual" and several links should pop up where you can download it.

Repair guy for Bosch dishwasher told my sister to use Cascade powder. You can control the amount you use plus he said the pacs contain too much detergent for today's machines and eventually cause problems.

Maybe you need to try powder for a while. Have you run vinegar through a wash to see if it would help?