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Trees from seed update

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

Just a couple pics of my trees. These two are in their 3rd season of growth.

Metasequoia. 7' tall, but so far this season has grown under a foot, which doesn't concern me, as so far I have found these put on the majority of their seasonal growth between mid June and late August. It's almost 2" caliper at the base.

Yes, I am aware that I need to de-weed and mulch better around the base!

Quercus x schuettei (hope that's the right spelling) - a Bur x Swamp white Oak hybrid. Seeds were from MO, via Dax. This is the one I planted out last fall. Only an inch caliper, but 7'6" tall.

Anout 15" of growth on the first flush. If it behaves like last summer, it will put on at least one, probably two more growth flushes, and probably end up putting on about 3 feet for the season.

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  • 9 years ago
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    Nice Schuettes oak. Mine (from OIKOS) seems indistinguishable from my pure SW oak including the exfoliating bark.....

  • 9 years ago

    This one looks more SW than bur as well.

  • 9 years ago

    Really fast growing, both of them

  • 9 years ago

    Nice growth on them both. Too good a job pulling weeds is a sign you don't have any other hobbies so I view a couple as healthy.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks.

    The Oak is in pretty good soil, but the Meta is in clay fill dirt from the grading (as the roots expand they'll grow into better soil about 20 feet out).

  • 9 years ago

    Did you start them from seed where they are growing now?

  • 9 years ago

    I started them in Pioneer Pots, outdoors, in spring 2015. Rootpruning pots.

    Then transferred to fabric pots (Smart Pots and/or similar). Potted up once.

    Then planted them out in September, 2016.

  • 9 years ago

    Those are some incredibly fast growing trees! Both look very healthy!

  • 9 years ago

    Really impressed with the vigorous growth on them Hair, very nice looking trees.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks for sharing! I am always interested in seeing tree growth progress from seed.

  • 9 years ago

    They look great

  • 9 years ago

    Of course, sometype of insect (probably different ones) are obliterating this seasons growth on my oaks and maples now.

    The maples have some type of tip borer or sucking insect killing the grown tips.

    The oaks' newest growth is shriveling up, and some have vertical slits in the sides of the soft growth. Looks like cicada damage.


    I am livid.

  • 9 years ago

    Presumably thanks to a mild winter we have a ridiculous number of bugs this year. At least the kid is enjoying a bumper firefly crop lol.

  • 9 years ago

    Although a neighbor has a DR, I can almost say with certainty, that I'm the only person with a Schuette's Oak in my neighborhood!

  • 9 years ago

    Here's the problem.

    Splits in the stem, shriveled leaves, and lateral buds expanding. This is an x sternbergii (shumard x buckleyii hybrid). I have a nuttallii and bicolor doing the same thing. So far the x schuettei above is unaffected.

    This one below is even worse. No sign of new growth. This is a michauxii that has been at a standstill for several weeks. The tip of the leader is brown and shriveled. This is a second flush of growth. I am not sure if I should cut it back to a lateral bud on the mature first flush, and see if it regrows, or just let it go, and see what happens.

  • 9 years ago

    Trident maple. Also trying to regrow but at a standstill. This appears to be tip borer damage.

  • 9 years ago

    I'm completely willing to use chemicals at his point to kill the sonsofb@@ches responsible.

    What should I use?

    It seems like these bugs are only existent in the low-lying, somewhat sheltered area that my seedling nursery is in. It gets sun, but is moist and wind sheltered, so that might make it a haven for bugs.

    My inground saplings are further up the hill, and don't seem to be bothered by it, so far, but they get a lot more air circulation where they are.

    It seems to be Oaks and maples affected. And I think it's a different bug on each one. My magnolias, conifers, black gum, and redbud do not seem to be bothered by anything.

    I wonder if the oaks are being hit by cicadas. Those splits look like what I've seen before.

  • 9 years ago
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    If you see splits, it may very well be cicadas. After the outbreak here ~10 yrs ago, and much earlier down in VA (the 1990s), many trees showed browned, dead tips. What's interesting is that there were so many cicadas, they were even attacking/splitting weeds like goldenrods & asters.

  • 9 years ago

    The Schuette's has started a second flush of growth.


  • 9 years ago

    Sorry about the bugs but the trees are nice. I'd like to see the acorns on the oak when it makes them. Burr oak acorns are awesome. Insects don't bother oaks very much here. Wasps make a lot of galls on them, which doesn't seem to bother the trees at all. Some years I notice what I as a child called 'army worms' which are some kind of caterpillar that hangs from their strings under oaks. But whatever damage they do never bothered the trees much.

  • 9 years ago

    I did prune off the branch on the lower left. It was nearly vertical, and annoyed my wife.

  • 9 years ago

    It would have bugged me too. lol

  • 9 years ago

    Magnolia grandiflora. Now almost 2', it has grown considerably this year (sprouted in 2016).

    The first year it grew very little.

    There's a same-age Quercus alba behind it.

  • 9 years ago
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    My Schuette's oak has put on another FOOT in a week, and there is no terminal bud yet, it's got a lot more to go! I wouldn't be surprised to see it over 10' by the end of summer, if not more.

    It seemed to respond nicely to the 2.5" of rain we've had the last 10 days.

  • 9 years ago
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    Hairmetal, I can't remember but did you say (in prior thread) that that Magnolia had bronzy-red new growth? I have a random magnolia seedling I am allowing to grow, with very good deep red-brown new growth. There are some wild M. virginiana in the woods nearby, so I wonder if mine could be a natural Freeman hybrid? Unfortunately forgot to get a pic this year. They mature to a deep green, oddly papery texture, little fuzziness compared to the two nearby M. grandiflora. (a neighbor's random one, and my 'Kay Parris'...in other words I cannot imagine it is the offspring of both of them. But who knows, maybe the Freemans required some trick to get them to cross.)

  • 9 years ago

    It did last year a bit, but it's all just regular green this year.

  • 9 years ago

    So, as much as that Schuette's Oak looked just like Swamp white, the newest foliage on the leader is more bur-like.

    Yet, the lower, older leaves look more like Swamp White.

  • 9 years ago

    Also, this tree was had moderate powdery mildew its first two seasons of life. Not a speck this year. Although it's now in the ground, out in the open with good airflow, not close to other seedlings.

  • 9 years ago

    Interesting updates on Schuette's Oak!

    hairmetal4ever thanked (ryanga7a) Ryan M
  • 9 years ago

    I have to say, Schuette's may be my favorite Oak.

  • 9 years ago

    The trident maples have finally outgrown whatever pest that was.

    As a side note, these do not like to harden off...last year they grew well into October. I had some tip dieback this spring, even after a mild winter.

  • 9 years ago

    I like the soft green and pink pastels on new Q alba leaves. This one could pass for a flower. Direct planted 2015.

  • 9 years ago
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    Q MICHAUXII

    Fresh out of the ground Aug 1 2017 at 45 North latitude.

    If you link pix this way does GWEB still claim ownership?


    BTW Hair How does the SCO acorn crop look this year on that big one you posted?

  • 9 years ago

    Lucas, I haven’t even been to that tree this year, to be honest. My daily commute has changed and I no longer drive near it. I’ll try to make a trip over there.

    I do have an offspring of that tree, it’s in its second season and about 6’ tall. It’s in a 5-gallon Smart Pot at the moment. I’ll be planting it in its permanent location probably around early October, and will get a pic of it then. I had to retrain a leader TWICE this summer (long story) but it’s looking good.

  • 9 years ago
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    So, when I came down to it, my Metasequoia, with its reputation for being fast-growing, only put on about half as much growth the season as the Schuette's Oak.

    It's definitely in a lower quality soil, but still with its reputation, I'm surprised it only grew about 15 inches.

  • 9 years ago
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    "It's definitely in a lower quality soil, but still with its reputation, I'm surprised it only grew about 15 inches."
    This isn't always a bad thing...it might just have been better for that plant to focus on root growth. Just wait. My 'Ogon' took a year to get settled.

    hairmetal4ever thanked UpperBayGardener (zone 7)
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, Dax!


    BTW, I need to post a pic of the Q. x sternbergii. It's over my head now.

  • 9 years ago

    David, good point. The oak is in MUCH better soil, but I think the root growth aspect makes sense as well.

  • 9 years ago

    :)))))))))) wow. Dax

    hairmetal4ever thanked gardener365
  • 9 years ago

    The grafted F2 New Madrid is about 5'. Last year it grew really funky, the leader grew at a 35 degree angle, so I did head it back to encourage the growth of a better leader, which worked. It has great form now.


    I'll try to get a picture of that one too.

  • 9 years ago
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    Please do.

    Thanks,

    Dax

  • 9 years ago


    Slightest tinge of early fall color on a Nyssa sylvatica.