Oooooooo! I wish I could catch her scent, too. Carol

Mine is still petite, but gradually putting on some size.

That's a good-looking plant right there.

Virginia

That's really pretty !!! Reminds me of my flamenco Rosita but I wonder how matching they really are . Enjoy !!

That's really beautiful!!!

I love this rose, but it doesn't grow well here. Just dug up 2 brown bands from the garden, potted them up, hope they'd come back to life. Love your photos, beautiful! I might order a 3rd one.......

My plant is about a year old and is growing nicely, without disease. Blooms have not yet been wonderful, not like yours. Hopefully that will change. Mine is not in a great position, with some morning shade and afternoon sun, but seems to be doing okay. Time will tell.

I just planted mine from ARE last weekend and I can't wait for it to bloom. I hope it's as gorgeous as yours.

I always think I've lost this one, then when I least expect it, I find a rose leaf or two in its place. It bloomed once or twice in a pot, but I don't think it ever did once I put it in the ground. It didn't even like being in a pot, IIRC, which is why it stayed in the ground. I completely forgot about it one year, and put a baptisia in that spot. The baptisia gets more than 6 inches tall and blooms.

My take on Maggie is that while it has decent cold tolerance, it is one of those roses that likes heat. Our usual week or two over 90 during the summer just isn't enough for it.

I totally agree with madgallica on this one. My Maggie really wants heat and full sun, and given enough heat she has surviving cane for me. I agree that the scent is toe-curlingly wonderful, and even my sadly deficient nose can detect her scent. Mine is about 7 years old and only a sporadic bloomer but it puts out a few blooms off and on all summer. For me, this is one of those roses that the scent totally makes the rest worth it. She has survived pretty brutal winters and doesn't always have surviving cane, but she's a wonder when those blooms come out.
Cynthia

Very nice! I wonder why I've never checked into Maggie? She looks great and sounds wonderful. I wonder if she would become enormously huge here? It sounds like she would love our hot temperatures. I'll just keep her in mind, way too many new roses right now. Lisa

Very nice rose. I tried it here some years ago and it wasn't happy. for me. It was long enough ago that I don't remember what the problem was. I'd be tempted to try again, except that every time I try a rose I took out the first time I end up taking it out again.

If I am not mistaken, this is the rose that has been found growing all over the world under different names, from China to New Zealand to Bermuda. Clearly it is a highly adaptable rose.

Maggie loves Texas! I had her for a few years here in N. TX, she was 6' tall X 8' wide and constantly covered in blooms as long as I would deadhead her. Unfortunately, there was a sprinkler head that tried to drown her. I managed to move a tiny piece that is now trying to grow up to her full size. My DH always comments on her scent when on the mower, she smells heavenly!

Oh boy, girlnamedgale. 6'x8' is way too big for me! I better not invite Maggie over to my place. Lisa

Lisa, I have Maggie in a somewhat inhospitable place with morning shade and afternoon sun. If she can tolerate that I'm sure she'll do well for you. None of my roses, even the most vigorous teas, ever reach that kind of height or width. I think that's a Texas thing, or some place that has a lot more rain than we do.

Good to know, Ingrid. Thank you. She is lovely, and a nice bright color that doesn't offend my "no red" preferences. Lisa

Also, Lisa, ARE lists this rose as 4 to 7 feet. And as they state this is the comfortable size for the bush to be pruned. So I guess it can be smaller and tolerates some pruning. If it's hot and dry I think it could be a good fit. Mine gets almost all day sun and looks really good as long as it gets enough of water. And last week we had 110+ non-stop. And even hotter to come this weekend...

Thanks, Natasha. My, that's hot! I don't think I could take it. I'll put Maggie on my list as a future rose that would do well here. I'm about maxed out right now. I need to see how things fill in and what my water bill looks like this summer. She's a great looking rose. I'm sure I would have her, if I would have noticed her sooner. Thanks again. Lisa

I'm so glad I started this thread. I love everything about this rose... the entire flower sends me crazy. : ) It's been on my radar since last summer, but as a newbie I was for some reason afraid to try it. OGRs scared me which is crazy because most of my original planting are older varieties. This year I said the heck with it, what's the worst that could happen? I think it's hardy down around these parts; BS is my main concern, but it's a rare rose that's completely free of it around here. So far she's looking good in her pot.

vmr, please keep us posted on yours. Lilyfinch and Lisa, I think you need this one! : ) One of the mail-order places had her on sale last year around this time, but these plants from ARE are VERY nice and large. I got them when they had the free shipping sale last Fall for May delivery.

I’m trying to decide where to put my Maggie—do any of the FL folks grow her? Does she climb, or is she more shrub-shaped? Many thanks!!

I just got her a few months ago. She has bloomed twice, both times paler pink than the pics above and not great form but great scent. In fact, she is the only one with that scent that I was advised to bother with.

She definitely likes heat and full sun. I had her in a part-shade position and she faltered. Now she is in full sun and I am hoping that she will thrive there.

(I have moved so many roses in such a short period of time. It's very risky, I know, but it seems riskier to leave them in unhappy places.)

I’m not in Florida but in SE TX close to Louisiana where Maggie was found and she has more of a shrubby growth habit. She takes the heat and humidity like a champ too. She just keeps pumping out the blooms!

I’ve gotten one bloom out of her in her pot, and I already just love her! She’s going in my “saturated color corner” so I hope that most of the year she’ll be bright. Thanks so much for the details!

I think you will be happy with her color, she doesn’t seem to fade in the heat at all for me. She’s quickly becoming my favorite rose. She’s a tough rose for sure.

She doesn't fade for me either. Mine is still in the pot until I decide where to put her but doesn't seem to mind. She's now getting ready to put on her second flush with very little down time between the two. She gets some black spot here, but I think that may be a function of my pot culture! I really need to get my lower 40 totally cleared so I can get my Arbor built. I hope to put her at the base of one of the climbers.

Mine is in direct sun from sunrise to sunset. Never fades and no black spots at all inspire of all the rain we got. You will love her. Her scent and colour. I am hoping mine will he huge. It is more of a shrub. I just counted it is going to have like 27 buds :)

Jin

I saw 'Maggie' a few times in different gardens in the South and it is one of the most beautiful roses I've ever seen. Yes, the scent is divine, and the bloom form and color took my breath away the moment I saw it.

I know this is controversial, but some question if this is Geschwind's "Mme Eugene Marlitt." More recently, Erich Unmuth from Vienna did a lot of research on Geschwind's roses, sorting out the originals and "imposters", and even he parenthetically lists 'Maggie' with the question mark next to MEM.

http://www.ruususeura.fi/a-suomi/artikkelit/Unmuth/geschwind-3.html

Here he is also speculating if it could be another Geschwind's rose, 'Julius Fabianics de Misefa', because of the striking resemblance. (I just used google translate which turns out to be fairly good this time; other times it can be very silly)

http://www.ruususeura.fi/c-englanti/Articles/unmuth-vortrag/unmuth-identifikation-1.html

If that's the case, or if there's even the remote possibility that it's either one of these, then there could be some hope that it would be hardy enough in Ohio where conditions are a bit better than here in WNY. Otherwise I would have ordered it in a heartbeat.

Enjoy your 'Maggie'!

vesfl, thank you so much for the articles. The second rose in the first article looks exactly like my Maggie, which has more of a reddish appearance than the rose the rest of you seem to have with the gorgeous cerise color. Although I really dislike most truly red roses, especially the modern ones, my Maggie has a more subtle red which I'm beginning to appreciate. I've been taking the buds off again so I don't have a picture of the blooms, and there are no buds right now. I probably should have planted this rose in full sun, and I wonder if I shouldn't get another one to try in one of my blazing hot locations since from all reports this rose doesn't seem to mind it. I never paid much attention to Maggie when it was mentioned by others, but now I'm very interested because of the fact that it does well in the heat, and the possible identification of this rose as Eugene E. Marlitt. My former blooms really are a dead ringer for that second picture. Unfortunately in my poor soil Maggie is not growing much, and that plus the lack of rain may be a problem for Maggie.

Ingrid, how exciting! Now when you mention it, I'm almost positive I read somewhere that 'Mme Eugene Marlitt' is heat and draught tolerant. We'll try to find the source if I remember it. Please share the photos when she blooms.

vesfl, that's good news about the heat and drought tolerance. I can supply both! Of course tolerant doesn't mean a rose would love it above all things to be grown in those conditions, but I can at least supply a leaf mulch and water. Maybe I'll even try a little organic fertilizer. I really would like to see blooms on this rose. You know me, of course I'll post pictures!

Vesfl, I wouldn't hesitate to order Maggie for your WNY garden. Mad Gallica is in NY and Maggie survived for her in a pot (dying to the ground) so it would undoubtedly do better in the ground for you. She's a trooper and frequently has surviving cane in my protected area of zone 5, and we can certainly provide the heat for her (90's again all next week). If you only get heat some months of the year, it would still be worth it for you.
Cynthia

Cynthia, did I say in a heartbeat? Well, you are a skilled enabler. She'll be on my order list for the next spring. Sold! :-)

Gosh, we're easy, aren't we? Just a hint and a little nudge, and we're off making lists and planning to order. You have to love it.

The thing about attributing "Maggie" to Geschwind is that even if it does match up with one of the roses he introduced, he didn't breed it. The rose we know as "Maggie" has been discovered to be genetically identical to several other "found" roses from around the world, and those "found" names go back further than Geschwind. So, perhaps he introduced a rose that was passed along to him, and gave it a new name, but it wasn't one of his seedlings. Look on the HMF page for "Maggie" to see its other synonyms, as well as the page for 'Zi Yan Fe Wu'. The "Maggie" synonyms were merged after Malcolm Manners' students found them all to be identical, but 'Zi Yan Fe Wu' wasn't included in the study, and so that HMF file remains separate. But it's rather likely that it's the same, being as John Hook grows it and "Maggie", and he can't find any differences.

Personally, I think this rose is something along the lines of 'Rose Edouard' crossed with one of the triploid red Chinas. If the China was the seed-parent and 'Rose Edouard' was the pollen-parent, a tetraploid red Bourbon could be the resulting offspring, which is basically what "Maggie" is. Since 'Rose Edouard' is really a strain that includes self-seedlings, it's very likely that at some point a red seedling "happened" in some garden where red Chinas were growing, and this rose continued to be passed along, probably for at least a century before Geschwind started breeding roses. While I had mine, I couldn't help but notice that it reminded me a lot of 'Louis Philippe' morphed into a Bourbon.

:-)

~Christopher

Maggie, then, is the rose of my dreams--damask-like fragrance and looks but with the health (in my region) of a china. Ok, I'll take her in every color! Where are all the other colors with Maggie-like characteristics?

I read this thread and I am not sure if anyone has MEM. I came across this old forum. I read it a few times. What Dr. Manners said about DNA.

Jeri inputs are also interesting.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.houzz.com/discussions/maggie-not-marlitt-dsvw-vd~1644332

I just saw on HMF a picture of Pacific. And it exists today and I hope they will have DNA match on Maggie and Pacific and so many syns. They do all look so alike.

This is so interesting. Chris , you could be right also . Your last paragraph makes lots of sense.

But, I am sure am glad I have Maggie. It is so tough under the sun, heat, rain, humid and everything. Absolutely love it.

Jin

Here is a paper that compared some.

https://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2013-vol-126/FSHS_Vol_126/273-275.pdf

In short, not only are the "found rose" synonyms identical, at least one of them was known for far longer than possible for Geschwind to have raised the rose from one of his crosses. So, we have two possibilities: 1) Geschwind released this rose, which he obtained from elsewhere, as one of his own, even though it wasn't; 2) This found-many-times rose was incorrectly identified as one of Geschwind's roses, and thus isn't 'Eugene E. Marlitt' or one of the other variations of that name, and nor is it 'Julius Fabianics de Misefa' -- unless the first possibility is true and Geschwind introduced this rose under either of those names.

:-)

~Christopher

Christopher, your post is very interesting and casts a completely different light on Maggie's origins. It just shows again that in the world of old roses things are not always what they seem, and often are more complex and, well, confusing.

Interesting, Christopher. Too bad that, in the words of the authors of this article, they were unsuccessful to isolate DNA from the samples they got from Erich Unmuth of Geschwind's 'EEM' and 'JFdM'. Hope that can be done in the future, and ideally with 'Maggie' samples from different nursery sources, because it would plausibly test for a third possibility, which some others suggested, that there could be more than one rose in commerce sold here as 'Maggie', one of which could be Geschwind's original 'EEM' introduced to the states in the early 1900s. Or, as someone wrote it on Jin's linked discussion, that Gregg Lowery is correct that one of them could be Geschwind's 'JFdM'. From all that I read about Geschwind himself, it sounds he was an honorable man... I find it all very interesting despite this controversy and different possibilities we read about its (or their) identity. I look forward to getting mine next spring, whichever it is! :-)

I'm also getting 'Maggie' soon. It looks like there is more than one rose sold as 'Maggie' and I'll get it from ARE. On their website, they say that theirs could be one of Geschwind's roses: "several distinguished rosarians have suggested that our "Maggie" is possibly the old Bourbon Eugene E. Marlitt."

Now wouldn't that be lovely, if there were several equally fragrant and gorgeous roses all circulating under the name Maggie. Mine was from Chamblee's in 2008 and they no longer sell her, but that version at least is hardy and tough in blazing hot sun. Glad to oblige the enabling, Vesfl. Just wait till Jack's Wish becomes available though - you ain't seen nothin' yet as far as enabling goes once that one comes to market.

Cedemas, Maggie is a dream rose for me too - damask-like fragrance and looks with much BETTER hardiness than a China. I have yet to overwinter a China even in my tea bed, and I've tried Archduke Charles several times as the most likely bet. Interesting that something this tough and hardy for me might have been a cross breed from a China rose, Christopher. Most roses bred from teas or other warm weather-only roses don't survive my winters which is why I simply window shop for Viraraghavan roses among others.

Cynthia

One reason this rose is probably found all over the world, besides its general awesomeness, is that it is so easy to root. I once accidentally rooted a two inch trimming that fell into the dirt.