Will the sink cabinet be custom? A 33" undermount sink can fit above a 33" cabinet with a little creativity. Try to imagine the sink flanges sitting on the adjacent cabinets and then sink cabinet is just slid underneath. I know it wouldn't actually be slid under but that was the only way i could think to describe it.

Creatgoodsinks undermount sinks can be made into a double ledge by leaving a reveal at the front and back.

You could also see if they can make you a 33" apron front ledge sink. The apron front is just welded onto a standard 33" undermount sink so it might not be too ridiculous.

Hi barnaclebob, thanks for that info. I am planning to get custom cabinetry, so I like your suggestion. I'll call creategoodsinks and see what they have to say. The left offset drain requirement limits my choices pretty dramatically, so I'm hoping that creatgoodsinks can help me figure something out.

I purchased this sink to use on my island as a prep sink. It has a double ledge but no offset drain - will be installed in a month. I also purchased the matching grid from O.com. I originally purchased a Prolific but had to return it as the welds on the sink that I received looked sloppy.

product.html

You can have a 33" sink in a 33" cabinet.

Joseph, thanks for commenting - I was hoping you would weigh in about whether I could fit a 33 in a 33.

Wilson, thanks for sharing - your sink looks beautiful and is a great value! Also, good to know about your experience with the Prolific.

I have one of Dino's sinks as well. Mine's 42" and had my kitchen been larger I would have gotten a larger one. The really good thing about his sinks is that you do your messy work on them rather than on the counter so there's far less to clean up.

I can build exactly what you need. I would be very sure you want the drain on the left if you are not left handed! Feel free to call me to discuss why that is critical. 407-880-6903

Thank you, everyone! Jerry, your sink is beautiful.

Dino, thank you for sending your phone number. I'll give you a call. I want the left offset drain because my trash needs to go under my sink, and I want the trash on the right side so I can have it open but not in my way while I'm prepping (prep is to the left of sink). My kitchen is smallish so I don't think there's room for a separate trash pull-out, though I'm still considering it.

Think of doing the prep in the sink. Note the cutting board and bowl which just shows in the pictures. I actually have two prep areas. The one that is for food that requires chopping or washing is the sink. The other is for baking, which is on a mobile baker's table*. No prep is done on any of the countertop spaces. Because you're going to be living with your decision for a long time, it's important to get this part right as it is difficult to change.

* An island could be used instead of a mobile table, but in my small kitchen there would be almost no room to walk around the island. (I have friends with a setup like that, so I learned from their mistake.)

Here's underneath the sink. Note the stainless steel floor and angled metal. The idea here is to limit water penetration in the cabinet floor when the drain leaks. (They all leak, it's a question of when.)

They leak when they're not installed properly.

That was true when the under-sink pipes were metal. The plastic ones will leak eventually. With proper installation, it will take longer.

I haven't had much trouble with leaking pipes. But I've had trouble with leaking detergent bottles. I love your idea. I think I might steal it

If anything id have more faith in plastic, no corrosion to worry about. No one that ive known has had a sink drain leak, just clog.

I've never had a sink drain leak....ever!

But back to create good sinks. I am intrigued by these sinks but every post I've read here on gardenweb sounds like a fake endorsement. The glowing reports just don't sound natural. Any one else pick up on this vibe? I'd love an honest opinion about these sinks from a real customer. Thanks!

cheri17 - I have one of the Create sinks. I have the "ledge" version, and have been using about 5 months so far. I know it sounds fake - but I really do love it. I really didn't want a stainless sink at all (was hoping for a silgranite - but DH said no to that) - but now I honestly don't know why I was concerned. I really love the offset drain, and it is super spacious and deep. I find that I don't use the ledge nearly as much now as the first 2 months - but I still really like the option of pulling out the cutting board for certain tasks. Maybe when school is back in session I will start using the ledge more - since I really loved prepping the school lunches on it. I really don't have any complaints at all about the sink - but if I were to be really picky then I would say that maybe the pitch could be slightly greater. I find that I do "chase" the food down the sides - but I also think that is because I have the sink grid in it - and that is something I never had in a sink before so it might just be a result of the sink grid. If you have any questions on the create ask away! I was superhseitant to buy site-unseen on a sink that no-one heard of - but honestly it was a super easy process and the sink came with no issues at all - very well packed and on time.

cheri, thanks for asking that question about creategoodsinks - I am also a little hesitant about buying sight unseen. busymom03, it's great to hear that you love your sink! Thanks for the info!

Im an actual customer. You wont be dissapointed with creategoodsinks and if you are I'm confident in their no hassel returns with free shipping. Not sure if that applies to any custom work though. You'll be talking directly with the owner and he is very responsive. They did intitially ship me the wrong sink (these things happen, no big deal) and the new one was shipped no questions asked along with a return label provided for the incorrect sink.

Now some of my high opinions could be coming from the fact that I came from a crappy shallow double bowl builder grade drop in. But we needed to find the biggest double bowl offset sink (front to back) so that could fit a cutting board we had made from scratch.

I dont have any accessories for the ledge but will eventually build my own cutting board for carving roasts for it. The pitch could be a little steeper but it's also nice that glasses and pots sit more upright. The 1/2 inch radius is for sure the way to go because I do get a little grime accumulation in the sharp corners but none in the 1/2 inch radii. I don't use a sink grid and don't mind the scuffs that have been accumulating. I also let a cast iron pan slip and it put a small dent in the top of the apron front. Better that than a chip in a cast iron sink or a chip in my granite.

Another concern of mine is that the rubber parts arent industry standards afaik. So if the company (or the comapany that manufactures the for them, Lenova) goes belly up there may be issues. But ill cross that bridge when I get there.

Thanks for the review, Busymom03.

I wasn't concerned about the reviews I've read because they were all positive. It's more the "voice". I've been on this forum, off and on, for 10 years and the comments about these sinks just have a "canned" ring to them. I don't know how else to describe it.

I can definitely see the cult like feeling you can get from the reviews including mine but honestly its hard not to respond like that if you pay attention to the functionality of the sink.

For example, the other similar sinks we were considering had the divide go the full height of the sink up to the rim. Some people might consider that a good thing because you can fill it them deeper. Like this one at only 60% of the cost compared to creatgood: We never need to fill our sink super deep so didn't really care. But yesterday I was washing two stock pots. The pot was on the large side and then I went to go dump it into the small side where the disposal is. I noticed that I didn't have to lift the pot up very much to dump it because the divide is only like 6" tall instead of the full 10 or 11" depth. If you weren't paying attention you may not have noticed that little difference that made cleaning easier.

That low divide also makes cleaning sheet pans and cutting boards easier because they don't stick up out of the sink itself which contains splashing while water drains off. Is this feature exclusive to creategoodsinks? I have no idea but I love it. Of course with single basin sinks there is more competition so I'm sure there are other great sinks out there. We were limited in choice because of the desire for 39", 60/40 or 70/30 split with an apron front.

That's an interesting concept. I usually keep a pan of soapy water in the sink for wiping down counters and washing my hands as I cook. This could be a better option.

I am also a real CreateGood customer! I got this sink based on layout feedback I received in a 2015 gw post. (I've been around gw about 10 years too, and was also a regular on IkeaFans when I was doing my last kitchen back in '07)

Based on gw advice (shoutout to @jillius), I crammed a 4' double faucet, double bowl sink in between my dw and the (semi-useless) corner. The right side serves as a prep sink, and the left is the clean up sink.

At the risk of also sounding like a brainwashed spambot, I absolutely love, love, love my sink. And, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

To keep it real, here is an uncropped photo of my kitchen, with shoved-aside counter debris and post-remodel blue tape. :)

Good luck, all!

Totally not related to your sink question, but was dish soap on sale for a really really good price or what? :)

LOL. A case was about the same price as three bottles.

This is crazy. At this point I am getting more excited about my future new Rachiele sink than I am about anything else!!

Rita. The sink is the most expensive appliance in my kitchen--and there's a Bluestar french door wall oven.

Kirstyteg--LOVE your sink setup! Those countertop height windows with views are so luscious too! I am ordering a ledge sink by creategoodsinks for a new build and would love your insights now that you've been living with one of Dan's creations:

-It’s funny—when my sink-hunt first started, I thought 32” would be plenty….long
story short, after getting hooked on ledge sinks, I’m now considering a 56” model, so about 6” wider than yours (will go in a 13’ island)—does that width sound like overkill, or if you had the space, would you take the additional 6”?

-I don’t know whether I should do 1 faucet or 2 (we'll have a second 24” sink by the
window, so not sure how often we’ll have two of us working at the big sink). Do you think you could function well with just one faucet, or do you find yourselves using the second one often? And if you find the second one highly useful, would you have the faucets be identical (both with pull-out sprayers) or have a big spraying one, supplemented by a second bar-type faucet?

-As an aside, I'm debating between 38" and 39" high counters (5'10" tall), and noticed your lovely higher countertops. Does 38" suit you or do you think another inch would've been beneficial?

Kirstyeg, Busymomof3 and Barnaclebob: Do you find your sinks stain, rust or need to be dried after each use to prevent water spots? I have a Franke Orca at home and an unknown brand stainless steel apron sink at the beach. The finish on the Franke is just beautiful, I mean, like real bling whereas the finish on the beach house sink is standard brushed steel. I've never had a problem with spots or stains on either, though. Scratches, sure, but that's to be expected. I use a grid with the Franke.

So, is the finish pretty? Do you get stains or water spots? Does the water drain well? I would find pooling intolerable. Lenova gets some spotty reviews, hence my worry.

Thanks sharing your experiences.

bump

I don't get anything on my sink besides normal grease/grime that I feel the need to clean about every week or two. No permanent staining so far that's for sure. Not all of the water drains out of the bottom but I wouldn't call it pooling, more just dribbles caused by surface tension and it doesn't bother me. I've never dried my sink, that sounds kind of pointless...its a sink not a chalice. I haven't been bothered by any spots left but haven't paid attention to it because it always looks nice to me. I'll try to remember to take some pictures if I get time this week.

You seem to be very concerned about how easy it is to keep your sink perfectly clean looking which could be a recipe for disappointment no matter what. I would just say that my creategoodsinks sink doesn't have any issues that make it any more difficult to keep clean than a normal sink. If anything the seamless drains and 1/2" radius corners would be a huge improvement relative to many other stainless sinks. I have no experience with ceramic or silgranite etc.

I'm really not overly concerned about the sink looking new forever! But I don't want spots or stains.

I read a few reviews of the Lenova on Amazon that showed pictures of large "water marks" that couldn't be scrubbed off. I also read a few about rust spots that had to be cleaned. I've had 3 SS sinks that never got spots of any kind. Scratches, sure, but that's to be expected. I don't want a sink I have to towel dry. As you said, it's a sink, it gets wet, it should be able to stay wet without damaging the finish.

Because I can't see the sink in person, I was curious how the finish looks. It's very subjective, I know, but was just wondering if those who have them think they look nice.

Can you link to the amazon reviews of water marks? I can only find the pictures of someone complaining about normal scratching.

Here are some pics. This sink has been in use for maybe 3 or 4 months so not a long term durability test by any means...

Overall view

After at least two weeks of not being cleaned and about 30 seconds after turning the water off, note the cloudy surface due to grime and small amount of water.

Right after a quick wipedown with a sponge and warm soapy water. 30 seconds after shutting the water off. No grime but still some water. No big deal to me.

Right after being wiped dry. You can see what I consider to be normal scuffing.

As for complaints about rust. Its possible someone would mistake corner grime for rust:

But in reality it comes clean with a little bit of dedicated sponge work:

This is also why 1/2" radius is much better than zero radius IMO. Much more difficult to get a sponge into tight corners.

Thank you so much for the pictures, Barnaclebob!!!

I don't like to be negative, but I can go 2 weeks without cleaning my Franke sink and it still looks pretty good. I never get any sort of cloudiness and I never have any water left behind in it either. I really love the design of your sink, but I prefer the Franke finish. This has been a huge help. Thanks again!

To be fair, it depends a lot on what went into the sink in the last two weeks. Drain a couple of bowls of greasy soup, and things will look dirty unless you put in at least some token effort to wipe. On the other hand, if you only ever drain cups of ice water, then it clearly shouldn't look this way.

Really hard to compare unless you know exactly what happened to the sink. But in practice, it's probably somewhere on the continuum between these two extremes

Yeah its mainly a greasy buildup. We cook with lard and rinse dishes that had grilled meat so I assume some of it solidifies on the sink. Our last builder grade cheapo sink had the same buildup but because the finish wasn't as fine or satin like and the scuffs had really built up it was more difficult to see. I'm not sure if there is anything about the finish of a stainless sink that will prevent a greasy buildup.

The corner grime is much more than two weeks, I may have only cleaned one of the corners once over a month ago just to confirm that it wasn't rust.

We also have water that has very few minerals in it, for sure not hard water. That doesn't contribute to the grease or buildup but is a point of comparison.