Building on Hudson Valley, without changing window location, you could try this. Larger pantry space, original fridge freezer. Keeps all tall appliances together, although I know people don't usually put wall ovens right next to a fridge.

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Hey all.....I am beyond appreciative of everyone's help here. Haven't had a chance to go back and read the latest comments, but just wanted to get out what my latest thoughts are before I try to wrap my head around anything else. This is a lot to digest, but I really want to get it right! As it is drawn currently, the fridge and freezer panels are each 32" (I might have said 36" earlier, that is not correct). The cooktop is 36". I am liking the idea of changing to a 30" fridge panel and maybe an 18" freezer panel, along with adding a few freezer drawers somewhere. OK, now to go back to read all of the ideas above!

Mama Goose, trying to interpret the changes.....how do we adjust the length of the range/fridge wall....by scooting the fridge/freezer down a little more into the pantry area?

Karenseb, I like that. Do think having the microwave near the fridge is a bonus. And, I don't think I would miss having a prep sink.

I like Karen's idea of having the oven next to the fridge as well - you could sort of turn the counter to the left of your main sink into your baking area, whereas the prep to the right of the sink would become your stovetop cooking prep area. Definitely something to think about if you don't want your oven mounted under the passthrough.

bio, trying to keep everything straight.....is the difference between your original suggestion and Karen's, just that hers maintains the oven/micro tower in one piece and yours separates them and has the oven under the pass through?

Yes, more or less. I am not much of a baker but I use my oven a lot for braising meats and roasting vegetables, so I would prefer to keep my oven in the same basic area as the stovetop because I use them simultaneously. I would also prefer to have the nice big landing area that the countertops beneath the passthrough provide for pulling out hot trays from the oven. However, if you are a baker and like to keep your baking station somewhat separate from your cooktop, moving it over where Karen has it would work. There's less landing space over there, but if you eliminate the prep sink from the island you would be able to use the island for a landing space.

Links to some Double Oven next to Fridge Posts

https://www.bobvila.com/posts/30240-wall-ovens-next-to-refrigerator?page=1#.Wk0mQN_tyMo

[https://www.houzz.com/discussions/can-a-double-oven-go-next-to-a-fridge-dsvw-vd~2696618[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/can-a-double-oven-go-next-to-a-fridge-dsvw-vd~2696618)

I took an older version of the plans and updated it to reflect what Karenseb and biondanonima were suggesting. There is now some space between the fridge and oven/micro tower. How does this look?

Sorry, not to confuse you with more options, but I said I’d work on the cooktop in island design. I played a little and this is the best I could do. I just thought you’d like to visualize what it might look like before toying with the idea. I actually really like it if the measurements work out.

The island would be 5’6” deep (2-24” cabs back to back and an 18” overhang.) It would be 8’ long. 36” to the left of the cooktop and 24” to the right with a 36” ct. This hopefully would center the ct pretty close in the passthrough window. It would give about a 45” isle sink to island, 50” ~ fridge handles to island depending on how much they stick out. The pass through side would be about 58-59” countertop to island.

Yeah, can you tell I’m home sick in bed today and bored? Haha!

lol rebunky I love me inside with my glass of wine waving at my guests!! It isn't a bad idea at all, but I do kind of like the idea of having a wide open island for eating and nothing to really clean around after a meal (not even a prep sink). On the other hand, it's a big island to just be one solid piece of countertop.

This is a photo of the kitchen in the model home that we based our plans off of. The width I believe is the same, we just made ours longer to accommodate a longer island and the big fridge/freezer.

Pass Through kitchen dining discussion

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/would-you-enclose-this-pass-through-windowbetween-kitchen-and-dining-area-dsvw-vd~399285

Mama Goose, trying to interpret the changes.....how do we adjust the
length of the range/fridge wall....by scooting the fridge/freezer down a
little more into the pantry area?

Yes, in the following illustration, I posted the changes on the left, with the original super-imposed on them, on the right, so you can see how they relate.

You know better how you prep and cook, but I like the plan above because it's very similar to mine, although I have a range, with no wall ovens. (I might have mentioned that fact on the previous thread.) I like the cockpit feel of the prep and cooking area with the prep sink--you can store everything at hand, and a helper can load or unload the DWs, or gather dishes to set the table, without interfering with your prep and cooking tasks. If you move the cooktop to the right wall, then the island will become a barrier between it and the fridge/freezer/pantry. Of course, you can adapt by gathering all items from the fridge and pantry before you start the cooking process, therefore eliminating the need to go back to the fridge or pantry by walking around the island--and humans are adaptable.

Unless you're broiling, or baking something like cookies or puff pastry, which needs to be checked often, most things spend more time in the oven (roasts, bread, cakes), so the oven can be out of the main cooking zone with no problems. If you really want the oven on the same side as the cooktop, you might consider making the current oven location, and the cabinets between it and the pass-through, a reach-in pantry, with an appliance garage in the corner, and use the pantry space on the left for oven space.

I'd still have seating on only two sides (long side and end toward the bottom) to eliminate conflict between seats and open fridge/ovens or pantry.

The kitchen photo for inspiration is great. It does not have a pass through on the right of photo. Great Island for the space.

Some of the floor plans posted above showed pass through on far right wall.

Are you going to have a pass through or not?

If doing a pass through, maybe this layout.

I would lookup some more Houzz discussions on pros & cons of pass through to help decide which is best for your lifestyle. Some people love them, some people are remodeling to fix them.

Also, some people like bar height & some do not. Example: Bar height hides sink mess & makes a water barrier. Same height can slide stuff around without lifting.

Also, remember to be careful when putting a fridge against a wall. Give designer & installer the specs & manual of fridge to prevent this.Happens a lot. Even politely remind. [https://www.houzz.com/discussions/fridge-doors-will-not-open-next-to-door-dsvw-vd~5023962[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/fridge-doors-will-not-open-next-to-door-dsvw-vd~5023962)

Express Wholesale Cabinets, just to clarify....the pass through window is to our back patio, not to an interior room.

Yes, yes, yes Express Wholesale Cabinets....thank you for the drawing! That is what I was trying to do in my floorplan above. I think it is a good option. Basically, what Karen & bio were saying. Just switching the cooktop with the oven.

....and rearranging the seating at the (now wider and shorter) island.

The kitchen floorplan is a nice size. There is a loss for wall cabinets & or tall cabinets with all the windows & a pass through. Maybe consider, doing away with pass through.

Really like Express’ new layout. neecick.....I don’t know how you function in the kitchen, but having a sink (even just a prep) on the same counter or run as your stovetop makes for an extremely functional and convenient prep space.

Very good point, nidnay, regarding the prep sink. It is far enough away from the main sink that it wouldn't be redundant.

Thank you Nidnay, & thank you, neecick.

Back patio...nice.

Here you go, outside it is ;)

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I am really happy with this new design! People seated at the island are out of the way and can easily talk to one another. Cooktop is no longer in a corner. I get to keep my full size fridge & freezer. Everyone on here has been so helpful....I am so very grateful!

Yes, there you go Express! It leads outdoors....can never have too many windows

There has been some great feedback on this post from everyone.

Happy to hear it , Neecick :)

Please post an after photo to this post when your kitchen is done to help others in future. Plus, it's fun to see the outcome, too :)

While I am gathering advice here and have a new layout, could you please suggest where to put the trash/recycling pullout? Where would be the best spot for an appliance garage? I know they are not the most popular, but I really want a spot to put blender & coffee maker on the counter but hidden from view. Also on my wish list are a mixer lift and one for my food processor as well. I am now going to have to decide where all of these go.

mixer lift in a cookie sheet cabinet in island

trash bin right of prep sink to go right outside

right of double oven; appliance garage, maybe

the windows are limiting for corner appliance garages in this layout.

Get pullouts in bottom of base cabinets for tall appliances.

Thanks again, Express & everyone else. You can be sure I'll be back to post photos once construction is complete. All of the people on here willing to help total strangers for nothing in return is amazing. It is truly appreciated!

Neecick, The inspiration photo you posted is essentially what you have with your most recently posted revised layout, except that the cooktop and oven/micro stack are swapped to accommodate your pass-through. I notice that the inspiration photo doesn't have a prep sink on the island and I am not sure you need one either. The island is a large piece, but since one end will be used for seating and you will no doubt have decorative items in the middle, I don't think it will look or feel like a huge empty slab. Your aisles are plenty wide enough not to have to worry about the pantry or oven doors interfering with seating, and I much prefer the look of the seating all on one end.

If you are happy having your oven and cooktop separated, I think this is a good design, although I would tweak the left side to allow for more landing space on both sides of the oven, and I would move the cooktop as close as possible to the pass through to maximize counter space to the left of the cooktop. Your drawings show some pantry cabinets on the sides but given that you have a large walk in pantry right there, I would eliminate these and maximize counter space (of which you can never have enough, IMO).

Whether this is ideal for you and your family depends on how you cook. Personally, I prefer to have my oven and stovetop in the same area with my microwave elsewhere. I am generally a solo cook, but DH and his daughter wander in and out to get drinks or condiments while I'm cooking dinner, and on weekends when we're all doing our own thing for breakfast and lunch, they tend to grab leftovers and head for the microwave while I am more likely to actually cook something or engage in a larger cooking project. For me, having the microwave over the oven would not make me happy, but if it works for your family, go for it!

Here's another drawing with the oven under the pass-through, microwave next to the fridge and incorporating a prep sink on the fridge side, which would be a nice feature if you are coffee drinkers. The coffee maker can live right under the microwave, either on the counter or in a built-in bar if you prefer that. It's great to have water for rinsing and filling right next to the coffee maker, but I wouldn't want a coffee maker right next to your main sink in your set up. For me, this would be an ideal set up in your space.

Oops, I missed a bunch of posts from Express with some great ideas while I was putting together that drawing! I agree with the mixer lift on the island - I would definitely use that huge space for baking projects. What do you use your blender for mainly? I use mine for blending soups, etc., so I'd want it near the cooking area, but if you mostly use it for smoothies, having it near the fridge/freezer might be better. Coffeemaker should be close to a water source. I'd probably have recycling on the upper left of the island (between fridge and main sink, where most of the empty bottles and freshly-rinsed cans will materialize). I'd have trash in a couple of locations, one near the cooktop and one near a prep area.

Thanks, bio...you have seriously been a huge help. One thing that might make a difference with oven/micro placement is that the microwave is actually an Advantium (so a speed oven as well). I plan to use it for lots of things assuming it really works as well as is advertised. I had concerns whether I will miss having a dedicated microwave, but the appliance sales person told me they use their Advantium as a microwave and it works great. We will see.....if I miss a microwave, I can always stick one in the pantry I suppose.

Ah, I must have missed that bit of info about the microwave - in that case it makes sense to keep it stacked with the oven (or if you want the oven under the pass-through, right next to it). Looking forward to seeing your final layout, and of course material choices soon! I am sure it's going to be a lovely kitchen!

Oh goodness, I wasn’t going to say anything, but if I don’t I’ll feel bad. Express wholesale cabinets, you designed what is called a barrier island. It’s a big no-no of kitchen design from what I’ve learned here. You probably know that already, but are trying to give the op what she wants. Please give us your take on the barrier island problem. Sigh....

The island is big, however it is necessary if they want a certain amount of seating space in a certain direction. Just keep in mind the center will be harder to reach. The island dimensions can be adjusted some more depending what is wanted, more seating a certain direction or more reach. Keep 48 " @ least around island. Fortunate, The space can handle a big island.

Express mentioned way back, the layout is for basic placement, probably implying the details to be worked out with whoever is doing the work. It definitely needs adjustments for appliance lift, which side drawers will open, countertop supports. Definitely better than it was.

The island looks similar to the model. Can probably just copy the model's island & tweet it to cooking/prep habits

rebunky, I see your point. I feel like what helps it is the fact that the sink is in the center, so the island is only a barrier in getting from the stove to the fridge. I can still go pretty much anywhere else in a straight line (as illustrated by biodanonima's drawing above with the green lines). It is a good thing to keep in mind, though....I will need to make sure they don't place the island too close to the kitchen sink. I want that to be a nice, wide aisle.....we have plenty of room to push the island back away from the window wall.

There are barriers and then there are BARRIERS. In my current layout, my fridge and stove are quite close to each other and my sink is across the kitchen from the fridge with a movable island in between. I absolutely hate having the sink so far from the fridge, with or without the island. The proximity of the stove to the fridge is irrelevant (and actually sometimes annoying) because I almost never go straight from the fridge to the stove. Nearly everything I take out of the fridge either needs to be washed (sink) or unwrapped/chopped (prep area), and I have neither of those things between fridge and stove. I don't think you will find the island between fridge and stovetop a problem AT ALL given that you have both sink and multiple prep areas in between.

Hey everyone! I'm back with revised cabinet drawings based on the awesome feedback I received here. Are there any other changes you would suggest? One unfortunate thing is that when I increased the size of the island, I am now going to have a seam in the quartz top, but to me it was completely worth it. The shape of the island just fits so much better now.

Looks great! On the wall with the fridge/freezer, are the cabinets to the right of the wall oven basically a full wall of counter-depth cabinets, or are those just normal, shallower uppers going down to the counter?

Oh thanks, Bio! I am so happy with the changes that were suggested. It is a huge improvement! Those cabinets are regular shallow uppers that reach down to the countertop to tuck away my coffee and smoothie stuff. I would like it even better if they were deep, but they would jut out in front of the windows.

Much better.

Looks great! Go for it and keep us updated as things progress. That’s always a fun thread, where you post at different stages of construction until the final reveal.

I think the one tweak I would make is to add an additional trash (or recycling or even compost) pullout near the sink, probably between the sink and stove where I know I would end up doing most of my prep. I'm always generating trash (wrappers, boxes, compostable scraps, etc.) during the prep process and I would love to have trash right there.

I really like that idea, Bio. That is a long way to go to throw something away from that side of the kitchen. I think I will ask them to put another trash in the cabinet to the right of the sink and dishwasher. Thanks for the good idea!

Now that layout is well thought out & so much more functional. Way to go,neecick! :)

Great job, neecick! Good job combining the advice from all the posters on this thread & coming up with a much better kitchen layout. Well done.

Thank you guys so much! I'm so grateful for all of the great advice here and looking forward to sharing the progress.

Just wanted to pop in with a progress photo of the kitchen. They still need to install the brick on the back wall around the windows, but it is coming along. Thanks to the great advice I received on this thread, I know this kitchen is going to work great for us! Will post more photos when it is further along.

Wow! coming together nicely! Excited for you. Thanks for sharing updates. Exciting to watch the great progress;)

Looking gorgeous!