triffidmoss

New Monkey tail :D (Hildewintera colademononis)

triffidmoss
2 years ago

I got this lil baby in the mail today :D Any good tips? I'm mostly wondering about Sun and temps high/lows it can take? I'm not sure if I should bring it inside over Winter (gets around -5C here) or will it be ok out in the green house under cover from frost. I currently have a Rats Tail cactus (Disocactus flagelliformis) that is fine outside over Winter, does Monkey Tail have similar tolerances? Does it like full sun? I was thinking of keeping it on a windowsill inside while it's cold. It's only a baby so I don't want to burn it.

Comments (71)

  • Lydia Kennedy
    2 years ago

    Here are some of mine. Full sun. I water mine a lot and they grow really fast for me. They spent all winter outside and even through freezing temps.

    my first one and the largest ❤

    Best Answer
  • Stefan
    2 years ago

    Only cleistocactus i have, survived this long by being kept almost bone dry. Sometimes, advice is inappropriate.....

  • SoCal Stewart (San Diego, Ca Zone 10A/10B)
    2 years ago

    milevskistefan, would you mind indicating what part of the world you are located in? That might prove helpful, especially if you are in the same location as another person and they are seeking advice or having care/culture issues. Maybe you have been able to “crack the code” so to speak, and they are still trying to dial in.

    Tyler

  • Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I've been on this forum for two years. Wouldn't consider myself an OG, but definitely not a noob so I'm well aware not everyone lives in my Mediterranean climate. That's why I made it clear as day in my original comment that my Monkey Tail gets more water, but is planted in almost pure pumice and has great airflow. Lydia and I do not live in the same climate, but we both water ours frequently. For some reason I'm the only one being addressed to about how "that may only work in my climate". This Cleistocactus is unique to my others in the sense that it likes more h2o than my other Cleistos. It's ok to be wrong every once in awhile. You don't lose your credibility:).

    In this case advice was 100% appropriate.

    Tyler, speaking of Cleistocactus. I have 3 little C. smaragdiflorus about 4-5 inches tall. Do you want one? I'll send it with the seeds.

    Im going to water my Monkey Tails right now in fact;). It's warm out!

  • Stefan
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Southeastern Europe, zone 7a is all im giving you SoCal strewart. We have winters, and the plants are indoors, and hate humidity. In addition, pumice is much harder to get a hold off, so i always write my assertions in assuming a way that climate and resources are not optimal. But then again, a lot of people live in the "temperate belt", away from any sea, or volcano.... I also make my assertions based on other growers' experiences within approximate growing conditions. EG, the plant in question, is also difficult even with much more experienced growers than me.

  • Lydia Kennedy
    2 years ago

    My monkeytails are planted in miracle grow potting mix with extra perlite. I do nothing special but water when it dries out. Its hot and humid here and all are in full sun..I havent rotted one yet. They really are thriving.

  • SoCal Stewart (San Diego, Ca Zone 10A/10B)
    2 years ago

    milevskistefan, I wasn’t going to come and try to visit you or anything, so no worries.

    Kara, yes, please? ...and thank you!

    Lydia, I’ve seen pictures of yours and they are AWESOME! I hope mine grow to be half as nice. Great growing.

    Tyler

  • SoCal Stewart (San Diego, Ca Zone 10A/10B)
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    triffidmoss, HOPEFULLY, you can find something in all of that which is actually beneficial and of some use to you. Good luck with your MTs. Please post updates with their progress.

    Tyler

  • Nil13 usda:10a sunset:21 LA,CA (Mount Wash.)
    2 years ago

    milevskistefan, wow you're keeping them indoors? That must be a challenge.

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    Nothing like a good spirited conversation :D The good news is I actually have two little MTs so I can experiment just a little with care. But as it's coming into Winter right now I'm going to focus on just keeping them alive for now. Happy can come later :D

  • Stefan
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Nil13 usda:9a sunset:21 LA,CA (Mount Wash.) As misunderstood that statement is, now , i dont own a lot of cleistocacti . . I own one, and ive kept it alive being bone dry. On the other hand, i own 260 plants, of which 20 euphorbias , 50 aloeae, 60 crassulaceae, 80 cactacea and other . came to my attention the slight gap in care difficulty between north and south american cacti. Therefore, i did research the why, the how and the mistakes one could make. The only universal conclusion i could make was

    - mineral, really draining soil(less organic matter)

    - a lot less water( and this worked very well)

    - low humidity in winter

    - medium light in summer(easy to sunburn)

    - water ph issues (varies)

    -and finally, tried raising most of them from seed, to increase durability to conditions here

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    last year

    So, my lil babies survived Winter, despite my help. I didn't water them much at all because I was scared of rotting them and it shows.. I also accidentally poured scalding hot water on them because I didn't check which tap was on.... (whoops!)

    They have been living on two different Windowsills, one getting lots of sun, the other getting extreme sun. The one with more sun is fluffier :D So I know where they will live next Winter. Actually, considering they were fine up against the cold glass I think I'll leave them outdoors next Winter. (under cover)

    Bit hard to see because of the crappy photo but the one on the left got the full strong sun all Winter. Now it's getting warmer I can feed them up a bit and start watering them a bit more.

  • Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
    last year
    last modified: last year

    Definitely start watering since it’s warming up. I bet this year you will get tons of growth:). You may want to keep on the lookout for a little hanging basket, something small for now. The pots they’re in you may risk the chance of one breaking once they start getting longer.

    During the winter I keep mine dry. Sometimes they’ll get rain, but generally if it’s cold I don’t water. When the forecast says anything lower than 40F/4C I will bring inside my garage, but anything above I will cover with frost cloth at night. Llifle says they can handle short spurts of temps as low as -2C, but personally I wouldn’t let mine drop that low.

    Congrats the worse part is over. Now you should be rewarded with some new growth;).

  • kingd Z6A michigan
    last year

    I just brought mine back in because of the rain and cooler temperatures. It grew 17 inches and sprouted 4 new arms, and all in the shade of an apple tree.

    Now that you’re going into nicer weather,just watch it take off.

  • stupidlazydog CT zone 5b/6a
    last year

    Got mine in May, '17

    Potted it in a mix of pumice, lava, chicken grit, and a small amount of Turface.

    Didn't grow a lot the first summer, but by late spring '18 it had developed a good root system, and started growing a 2nd arm. I then repotted it into a hanging pot that was actually a bit big for the plant. I was a bit concerned about the size of the pot, but it did really well over this summer and grew a lot. This summer was a hot one for us, and very, very wet. More like Florida weather than CT weather. It also got a lot of sun, a little shade in the late afternoon.

    Here it is now...

    It's now sitting on a stool in the greenhouse. Have to hang it back up :-)


  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    last year

    I'm really hoping it takes off :D They, I should add. I technically bought two so I could experiment a bit with growing positions...

  • gdinieontarioz5
    last year

    I have joined the club of monkey tail owners :-). In May I got a small plant consisting of a main stem with three arms. I left one of the arms with a friend in Holland, and continued with the rest. I found out that the stem was grafted on a buried piece of cereus. I cut off the stem and the two arms, here they are today:

    I potted up the stock with the little nub of the stem that was left, and it sprouted:

    While the first three cuttings were making roots, they also continued to grow, etiolated little tops. That was not very nice looking, so I beheaded them and stuck the tops in a little pot. They are just starting to root:

    The growing season is winding down, though I hope to keep them outside till some time in October. The stock plant is in Lechuza Pon, a rather coarse gritty mix, the other two I have in half “cactus soil”, half coarse perlite. I hate perlite, but I only have fine pumice. Like many here, I find they love water. I actually have a C. winteri that I kept in the peat based mix I got it in, and it did very well in that mix and full sun from 7-4. Next year it will get fresh soil, probably 50/50 like the monkey tails.

    I showed the monkeys the pictures of yours, Lydia. Gives them something to strive for ;-).

  • stupidlazydog CT zone 5b/6a
    last year

    That's a great idea, I'll have to do the same! Maybe those photos will inspire mine as well :-)

  • Lydia Kennedy
    last year
    last modified: last year

    Well, my huge monkey tail fell and broke while trying to repot it. So, now I have 70 cuttings rooting this moment. I do have 7 other large ones to display so all is good.

  • kingd Z6A michigan
    last year

    It has to be really tricky to repot yours because of their size. I was nervous just moving mine into the house.

    I would have been sick if I dropped mine, I want more but not Lydia’s way :)

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    last year

    Eeep! I can imagine your heart just stopping as it crashed :(

  • Lydia Kennedy
    last year

    Yes, I felt horrible! I had never taken 1 cutting from it since I bought it...all cuttings rooted and some are sprouting new tails already!

  • kingd Z6A michigan
    last year

    That’s awesome to hear,at least something good came out of it.

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    9 months ago

    Well, it's about 18 months later and here are my two lil babies. I chopped the end off one and they both pupped.


  • kingd Z6A michigan
    9 months ago

    They look Great! When they go into growing mode,they take right off.

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    9 months ago

    Oh, and the one I chopped, I rooted the cutting and left it out doors (undercover) over winter. It got to about -3 or so and was fine so it was a good test.

  • stupidlazydog CT zone 5b/6a
    9 months ago

    Looking great! They've really grown a lot. Hardiness info is good to know; thanks for testing it :-)

  • SoCal Stewart (San Diego, Ca Zone 10A/10B)
    9 months ago

    Besides getting one flower, which was a nice surprise, mine didn’t seem to grow at all this year. Pupping & growth last Summer but this past Summer no discernible growth what so ever. Same treatment and location.

  • kingd Z6A michigan
    9 months ago

    I’m curious why that would have happened. I know mine put on a lot of growth but no flowers.

  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    9 months ago

    Very nice triffidmoss! Unfortunately, I have killed two monkey tail plants :-(

  • cactusmcharris, interior BC Z4/5
    9 months ago
    last modified: 9 months ago

    Tyler, if I had just followed this post more closely, I would have seen the future written in BIG CAPITAL LETTERS, italicized and bolded!

    Anyway, I might have posted this before, but can you believe technology gives us videos of the plant in question!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3opyfci-Yc

    The plant, and the adaptations plant make, are just wonderfully presented here.

  • Clint Whitman
    7 months ago

    A few of my Monkey Tail Cactus (Cleistocactus winteri ssp. colademononis)





  • Clint Whitman
    7 months ago

    Anyone know about how long it takes for the fruit to mature (become ripe), after the flower has been pollinated?

  • Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
    7 months ago
    last modified: 7 months ago

    I’ve never gotten fruit from mine, but I would think they aren’t any different from other cactus. I’d say they should be ready after three to four months. The flowers aren’t huge so I doubt the fruit is much bigger than a pea. The bigger the fruit is generally the longer it takes. I don’t pick them until they look ready. You’ll know because they get all dried out and split sometimes.

    I have Pleiospilos simulans bear seeds for me and they took easily eight months before they were ready. But that’s not a cactus and I don’t know why I’m telling you this:).

  • sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)
    6 months ago

    I got 4 little pieces in late Feb 2019




    A Few Weeks Ago..there is still one piece that is just sitting there, not growing. Its not dying either, so I'm just leaving it be lol. There rest looks good. I wonder if it needs more light? It right under the porch eaves and gets slanted sun part of the day. Bright indirect light the rest of the day.




  • mjkjrobinson
    6 months ago

    What a awesome cool plant, L must try and grow some!

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    6 months ago

    Look who flowered! It's nearly 2 years old now and has more buds coming.


  • gdinieontarioz5
    6 months ago

    Very nice, well done! And in winter! Mine are asleep, cold and dry.

  • kingd Z6A michigan
    6 months ago

    That’s awesome!

  • judyfromsf
    2 months ago

    Hi there ! Just wondering how do you make the monkey tails hair long and fluffy ? Is it the amount of sun you give it ? Direct sun or not ? I’m in San Francisco. Any help is much appreciated ! Judy

  • judyfromsf
    2 months ago

    I just got some monkey tails but I’m not sure if they’re the long and fluffy hair ones that I really like .

  • Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Can you post a pic of your Monkey Tail cactus?

    When the ”tails” are young they usually don’t have long furry spines.

    They look more like this, pic from Google.



    As time goes on they get that furry look. Side note they may look soft, but the spines feel more like bristles.

  • judyfromsf
    2 months ago

    Hi Kara !

    I’m so glad to hear from You.

    I’m posting a picture right now



  • judyfromsf
    2 months ago

    I figured since You’re from San Francisco maybe You can help Me and give Me tips on how to care for My Monkey Tail. Like can I keep it outdoors Permanently ? Will it help grow long furry hair when It’s left out in the sun ? I just got him yesterday . Right now he’s outside and gets full sun from around 10am- 4pm give or take .

  • Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Without a shadow of a doubt you have a Monkey Tail/Cleistocactus winteri subs. colademononis🙂.

    Surprisingly I have found that this cactus can be a little sensitive to too much sun.

    A quote from Llifle:

    Sun Exposure: Require filtered bright light, partial sun or light shade, but not in full sun that will sunscald it. ”

    Last spring/summer I kept my Monkey Tail cactus outside in all day sun in a south facing yard, and some areas did get sun scald.

    Half day sun would work.

    I do think some Monkey Tail cactus are furrier than others, but imo age and stress plays a part in how furry they will get.

    From the looks I’d say it’s time to repot your pot full of Monkey Tails😁. Be sure to use a fast draining mix because these guys are pretty thirsty during the growing season, but just because they’re thirsty during the growing season ( Spring/Summer) doesn’t mean they want their feet constantly wet and soggy. Water when the mix becomes dry. A mix of 60% perlite and or pumice with 40% cactus mix will do just fine. Since you live in the Bay Area you should be able to find pumice. Pumice is superior, but perlite works.

    My hardiness zone is 9b so it gets a little too cold in the months of Dec-Feb. As you know our rainy season is in the winter. So I bring my Monkey Tail into the garage during those months. Cold and wet is not good for this cactus and most other cactus. The coolest my garage gets is somewhere near the low 40’s. I also keep my Monkey Tail cactus dry from the end of Oct thru early March.

    During the growing season I water mine once or twice a week. Sometimes more if it’s really hot and the mix is drying out quickly.

    What is your hardiness zone? You may be able to keep yours outside during the winter, but it will need to be protected from winter rains.

    Anymore questions feel free to ask🌵.

  • judyfromsf
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Hi Kara !

    I’m in zone 10b

    You have just made Me so Happy !

    I was just thinking about repotting him after reading the thread . I haven’t watered him at all and like You said, it drinks more water compared to other cactus .

    I have this succulent cactus gritty mix from bonsai jack ready but I haven‘t decided what pot to put him in . I don’t know what’s the best pot to use ?

    Thank You so much for helping Me out!

    I’m so glad to know that I can ask more questions cuz I know I’m gonna need all the help I can get. I really appreciate it !

  • socalsucacti
    last month

    Any chance you know which Cleistocactus this is?


  • gdinieontarioz5
    last month

    Looks like monkey tail!!!

  • judyfromsf
    last month

    I think it’s Cleistocactus Colademononsis ( Monkey 🐒 Tail )

  • triffidmoss
    Original Author
    last month

    Is there a chart or something that shows conversions of hardness zones? All this zone a or b is so confusing to Myself in Aus :D

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