Here are the photos from Peggi's garden:

Sorry I can't id it but I have to say what a charmer! I don't think I've ever seen so many buds before - and that's saying a lot considering the photos people post here. Really hope you get an answer - would love to know what it is,

MaryC

Thank you, MaryC. I have one more photo, of this rose growing in my own garden through that hydrangea, taken last year.

I've had the suggestion that perhaps it is a hybrid musk, not a polyantha, which after a perusal on HelpMeFind seems possible...except that I don't recall a musky fragrance. And I'll have to wait to take a sniff test - it's raining right now and I'm not going to go down into the mud to reach the tiny thing, LOL!

Take a look at Seafoam and see what you think.

'Seafoam' was what I thought also.

I think it looks like Seafoam too. Here is a link to the Seafoam page on Help Me FInd Roses - if you click on photos at the top, and then go back pages, you will find a picture of the hips, which are very distinctive. If yours or your friends has any hips on it, that will help ID it.

Jackie

Oops - forgot to post the link. Here it is:

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.5664

Gorgeous, Anne Cecelia! It does look a lot like Seafoam to me, too. Carol

Well, no hips - ever. I would say that lets out Seafoam, but thanks, all for putting on your thinking caps for me. If anyone else has an idea, I'm listening!

Not necessarily. Climate and conditions can make all the difference whether a plant sets hips. In the inland, extreme Valley heat, Iceberg sets extremely few hips. Move it to cool, damp, coastal conditions and it's a bloody fruit bush. Mermaid won't set hips in the Valley heat, but it does at the beach where it remains cool, damp/wet for most of the year. Rosarium Uetersen won't set hips in that same extreme heat because the plant won't produce sexual parts, just a big "puff" of petals. I could never figure HOW anyone ever raise any hybrids from it because there was nothing to allow it. One summer, eons ago, I went to a Ventura County Rose Society meeting and observed a beautiful, soft coral, semi double climber and asked Jeri what it was. She found it remarkable I didn't recognize a rose she knew I was selling, but I had never seen it a soft color, with a cup of petals, FULL of stigma, stamen and anthers. The only difference were the climate and conditions. I'm sure there are those which won't set fruit (and that is entirely what hips are) in the cool, requiring heat to accomplish it, but those are some of the ones I have observed during my long decades of dealing with "bellows of Hades" inland valley, SoCal climates.

I'm also guessing Seafoam. I grew it for a few years in my Eastern Ontario Garden which was 4b and do not recall it setting hips there. It finally succumbed to a brutal winter. It was just a touch too tender for 4b.

Well, your comment has thrown the door open again, Roseseek - thank you for clarifying the presence or absence of hips not being necessarily universal.

Rick, how large did your Seafoam get? My friend Peggi is doubtful of the I.D. because her plant wants to grow like a rambler and with pruning she keeps it as a large shrub. But a member of her local rose society who does grow Seafoam reports it as a ground cover plant - completely lax and trailing on the ground (zone 5.)

You're welcome. A "ground cover" rose simply means something which covers the ground. It can be mounding (to literally any height) or it can be spreading, like a rambler left to scramble across the soil. Seafoam resulted from [(White Dawn X Pinocchio) X (White Dawn X Pinocchio)] X (White Dawn X Pinocchio), White Dawn is a New Dawn seedling. There is your Wichurana, tripled! Under the most favorable conditions, it will want to climb, getting longer with age and lack of pruning. Under less favorable conditions, it will be less "scrambling", more "mounding". Most plants do get larger when let loose in more favorable conditions.

Hi Anne, mine was much like yours, though a little shorter in stature as I recall, wanting more to "scramble", out and down as Kim describes it. That was a long while ago though and my recollection is a bit time blurred.

Cheers, Rick

mag_gallica, isn't it wonderful to still have photos of roses that are long gone? Your picture is lovely, and at least you have a memento of this rose. I pulled up a photo of my long-gone Westside Road Cream Tea not five minutes ago for the thread on Jesse Hildreth to invite a comparison between the two. I regret having tossed aside quite a few roses that I might still have if only I had been patient and waited a few more years for them to mature.

Ingrid, actually I do still have Seafoam :-) Before it became infected, it had suckered into 4 different plants. Two were infected, one was apparently too small to survive, but one is still out there. Seeing a lone flower on it was what reminded me that I should have photos of it before the disaster.