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Soft and wrinkly succulent, HELP!

8 years ago

Hello! I bought some succulents a few weeks ago and after a while the leaves around the bottom and middle of the plant started to get wrinkly and soft and therfor started drooping and lost their shape. Ive watered once or twice since i got them but i think i might have watered too little when i did (i sprayed with a spraybottle, stream feature not mist, since i have no drainhole i worry about overwatering). They have had lots of direct sun, probbaly over 5 hours a day, midday to late afternoon.


1. Im thinking they're dehydrated/underwatered but im not sure and im too scared to water them since theyre so sensetive to overwatering.


2. A woman at my local garden center said they might have gotten too much sun! i tried to find out what too much sun exposure does to succulents but all ive found are what sunburnt plants look like..


One of the succulents had two babies which i removed from the mother plant and they have developed a lot of nice roots since! They look even worse than the mother plant tho, and have also gotten more sun than the mother plant.


a)

^ This is one of the babies. The leaf im holding falls flat on the edge of the pot if i let it go, but it should be almost as high as im holding it.

b)

^This almost looks like its overwatered but its in the middle of the plant.

c)

^These leaves are on the bottom of the plant but only because i removed two layers of super soft leaves yesturday so i dont think this is the plants natural cycle. Im hoping to save these leaves.

d)


^ The leaves on this one were nice and flat/ slightly curved when i bought it but now its full of tiny wrinkles and its curling up/ folding its leaves all over the plant but worst at the bottom.


Im in desperate need of help! I love my succulents!

-Anna

Comments (26)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You should definitely repot them into a pot with drainage holes! Succulents like soil that drains fast because they don't like wet feet. The dry curling leaves looks like they are getting too much direct sun too soon. Some of them even look a little brown like they are getting burnt. Rina posted some helpful information on [this thread.[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/help-new-succulent-owner-and-having-a-rough-time-dsvw-vd~5374098) And [this thread[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/help-new-succulent-owner-and-having-a-rough-time-dsvw-vd~5374098) saved my Echeveria "Perle Von Nurnberg' I had no idea about root loss.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you! If i take them out of direct sun will they be able to recover? If theyre burnt they wont ofc but will they get their shape and firmness back? I'll try to find i nice looking pot with drainage but since i have them on the lovingroom table i cant have soil and water comming out the bottom sadly.. but so far their feet are all dry! I water very little when i water, and have a few wooden sticks in my arrangements and pots to check the wetness.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You could get a nice pot with a matching tray at the bottom to catch the water an soil. I keep these guys on my kitchen table, and the tray catches whatever runs out the bottom. I will say the echeveria did not like being in this pot (or how much water and light I was giving it I don't know), but you get the idea. When I noticed the leaves drooping I thought if I babied it then it would recover, but it never did. I don't know if anyone else has any luck. I plucked the droopy leaves, cut it at the stem, changed the pot, and have been gradually introducing it to the direct light. The other two have been in their pots for months, and seem to be doing okay.

    Usually when I water my succulents I like to give them a nice watering until the water drains through the holes so that the roots get wet. Drainage is important so your soil can dry. Mine are mixed with 50% miracle grow cactus/succulent soil and 50% perlite. Some people don't like that, but I don't have the time nor do I want to mix my own soil. I topped these pots off with whatever mulch and pumice was on them at the nursery because I don't like the look of soil and perlite haha:).

    As far as saving the plants I'm a little new to gardening, and like I said I have never had luck with saving a plant with droopy leaves like pic A&C. When you repot them you will have a chance to check on the roots and make sure they are healthy.

    I have had luck with plucking the leaves and propagating those, and beheading/replanting the cutting and misting it. You can even keep the other end with the root system and water it. Rooting hormone powder speeds up the rooting process with the cuttings, though they don't need it to grow roots. Plant B looks like you can just remove the couple dead leaves and it will recover fine. Its hard to tell with plant D, but by the pictures it doesn't seem well at all. You could try to pluck some of the dead leaves at the bottom and give it some water to see if it gets better. If not I would consider beheading that one too where the leaves look better at the top. Hope someone more experienced can still give you a second opinion. There's a lot of people on here that are very experienced and super helpful:)

    anna_swe thanked Jessica SF Bay Area 10A
  • 8 years ago
    You need drainage. You cannot water properly without it, as you’re finding out.
    They sell plastic trays to hold any spills for cents, terra cotta trays, or you can use a pretty bowl, or water over a sink and let it drain there completely, or outdoors. Also, a living room table will never be enough light for succulents unless it is stuck to a window.
    Insufficient light and insufficient watering practices will always lead to problems and eventual failure.
  • 8 years ago

    Grace, i could water outside and let it sit untill its all drained and then put it back, thats clever, didnt think of that! But the livingroom table definetly does not get too little light, the table has huge windows on 3 out or 4 sides (about 1 m away for the egde of the table on every side). The room is extreamly light from morning to evening and there is direct sunlight on the table from midday to evening/very late afternoon.

  • 8 years ago
    Worth a shot. I know it looks good.

    But I’ll just add that even in Las Vegas where all we have is exorbitant sin and sun, I don’t have a single spot indoors one meter from a window that would sustain any Echeveria. :)
    anna_swe thanked Sugi_C (Las Vegas, NV)
  • 8 years ago

    I just wanted to add -- it sounds like your room is beautifully light, something I love! But remember that our windows filter the sun, especially the nice eco-windows that help keep our homes cool. My new windows filter out the UV (I think) so that my carpets won't fade. I'm guessing my plants would like those rays, but I could be wrong. Screens will filter out even more light.

    Just something to consider. I'm certainly not trying to argue about light in a room I have never seen. ;-)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I agree with Grace and Crenda about the light, especially after my experience trying to keep the echeveria indoors in a bright room. The set of plants I keep on the table I bring in/outside almost everyday now:) The only succulents I keep inside all the time are my lithops.

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks for all the advice! Ill keep the plants out of direct sun for a few more days and see if that helps (since the wonam at the garnden center recomended that) if nothing happens ill put them outside in the morning so they get sun, and if that doesnt help ill tranfer to a pot with drainage and give them a really good watering, since im worried ive given them way too little

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    If I may, I would suggest that assuring good drainage would be very important...not as a last resort, but one of the first (..."if nothing happens ill put them outside in the morning so they get sun, and if that doesnt help ill tranfer to a pot with drainage and give them a really good watering, since im worried ive given them way too little"...) They could be thirsty and if so, little water from spray bottle doesn't help (..."i sprayed with a spraybottle, stream feature not mist, since i have no drainhole i worry about overwatering"...) . Succulents need thorough watering when is time to water. Waiting to water if plants are thirsty will not help them.

    They could be suffering from sudden exposure to sunlight - all plants should be acclimatized to it. As Grace & Crenda already suggested, indoors light doesn't compare to outdoors, and if outdoors is available, succulents will benefit from being there.

  • 8 years ago

    I put them out in the sun yesturday with partial sun, moving them around as the sun moved to not burn them but let them get a good amount of sun. Today they look way way worse!!! Im my world this can anly mean one thing, they need water right? They used up more than usual yesturday with all the sun.

  • 8 years ago

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    now another one is getting wrinkly too! What am i doing wrong. This one was bought a week ago and it was perfectly healthy. It was out in the sun with the others yesturday and it does have drainage, should i try watering?(ill upload a picture when i can get it to work)

  • 8 years ago

    I don't see where any of us asked -- did you remove ALL of the old soil from the roots of the plant before you repotted? If not, the old nursery soil is still surrounding the roots and could be causing problems.

    I did [this thread[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/lessons-learned-heres-why-we-tell-you-dsvw-vd~5370112) explaining how I goofed up by leaving the old soil in place.

    Just a thought!

  • 8 years ago

    Did you check soil deep inside of pot if dry or still wet?

    Did you acclimatize them properly - start with 2-3 hrs of early morning sun, moving into more and more every few days...these were suggested on one of your threads already.

    Check thread Crenda linked to - it describes the process very well with photos.

  • 8 years ago

    HU, I could be completely wrong and please forgive me if I am. You sound like your getting confused or overwhelmed, or maybe both.

    If you are, read slowly from the beginning and make two lists. 1st, each piece of advice you've been given, and 2nd, each question you've been asked.

    Then check any links and make notes that you might find helpful (separate from the 2 lists).

    Make sure you answer any questions that you've missed and take notice of things you haven't done. Not that you have to do everything that's been advised, just so it becomes clearer.

    Your doing a lot better than I did when I first came here, so hopefully you don't feel like I'm nagging you ;-)

  • 8 years ago

    Crenda- i have removed most of the old soil from the roots but i did it very carefully because it felt like i was just tearing their roots appart, is that something im rightfully worried about or can i be more rough? Should i go as far as washing the roots?

    Rina-i had them in the morning sun for about 2 hours, and then outside for the rest of the day in shade from trees, maybe it was still too bright? I then had them in direct sunlight late at night again for about 2 more hours (the sun was barely warming) untill sunset and got too cold and i took them in, could that have been too much?

    Helen- ill take your advice and make the lists!

    Everyone - i moved two of the plants out of the arrangement into draining pots and watered them, the rest im leaving alone/putting in the sun in the morning. I will also be drilling holes in my current, very loved pots so i can keep using them!



  • 8 years ago

    How cold is 'too cold'? I don't know what part of world are you in (why don't you add that info next to your name so we don't have to ask?) - but I find it unlikely that it would be too cold in July.

    It doesn't sound that you had them in too much sun according to what you just said.

    Roots should be cleaned of old soil, sometimes washing helps.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Some people take a plant out of the nursery pot and put it right into the new soil mix. That really causes problems, as you can imagine. So good job on removing most of it. I tend to be a little rough, even using a bamboo skewer or hit it with the hose to remove all that I can get without ripping off all the roots - as you were worried about doing.

    We always mention how the old soil can retain too much water, but it can go the other way as well. If peat based soil gets too dry it won't absorb water any more. So now you can have hard soil keeping water away from your plant's roots. So in the end, it is just better to remove all that you can from the roots.

    I would not bother the roots if you think you did a good job. That may not be the problem at all. In fact, it is probably the lack of drainage in the pot, but I thought it was worth mentioning. If someone disagrees, they'll mention it here! LOL

    Off Topic -

    We have a LOT of new users who are all assigned "HU and a long number" as their user name. Apparently, since the update to the website it does not guide new people through setting up a user name. You can go to Your Houzz and edit your publicly displayed name on your profile information. That's where many of us add our growing zone and general location, too. You can be any name you choose, we don't care. It's just easier to converse with you, but it is entirely up to you!

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Rina, i live in sweden so it goes down to around 12°C( under 60°F). I know they can be out in even lover degrees, just not below frost/ freezing point. But i dont wanna risk it.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    They needed water!!!!!!!

    I've moved every succulent into pots with draimage and given them all a really good watering and some are already looking great and super healthy already and the rest seem to be on their way. I will put them back into the arrangement after ive drilled grainage and then i can start watering them like i should, without having to worry about pooling at the bottom ^^ thank you all for the good advice!

    (I also have them in the sun regularly now since a few days back )

  • 8 years ago

    I'm glad your plants are on the mend! It's often something simple - potting mix, drainage or light. Knowing which one is the trick! ;-)

    And I want to thank you for updating your name on your houzz, Anna. It makes it easier to recognize you in the future, too!

  • 8 years ago

    Yay :)

    Glad your plants are doing better.

  • 8 years ago
    Good job, Anna!
    Now just drench thoroughly whenever you water, but absolutely do not water often. Rot will kill a plant much faster than dehydration can.
  • 8 years ago

    Anna, well done! :-D

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