The second picture looks like a wild parsnip to me, an invasive species in Ontario, afaik.

The top plant appears to have spots or pimples on the leaves and to be slightly furry in texture. Is that correct? If so it's not a dock. Possibly Echium vulgare which is invasive in BC and present in Ontario. But I don't know if it's invasive there.

Both pictures are indistinct and closer, clearer shots would be helpful.

Yes, the hazy photos are hard to get a grasp of.

Sorry about the quality of the pics. Yes, the leaves are dimpled and dotted on the 1st. I will look that one up. I'll get my rubber gloves out to get rid of the parsnip - I had a feeling that was what it was...Thanks to all that was a great help.

Yes, the first one could be Viper's Bugloss. My plants have been blooming for weeks. There could be flower buds, but too hazy to see. An Echium vulgare couldn't get that size in its first year. Wild parsnip was what I was trying to describe. I really love growing natives, which makes me want to remove aliens, but every time I approach the Echium vulgare they are covered with bees, so I put it off until next season when it happens again. I do believe it would be invasive in my area if it were to get loose, though it would look prettier along the highways than Teasle and Conium. Michigan had a lot of E. vulgare along its highways some years back. I'm assuming it's still there.

What is funny is the fact there is bugloss in the lawn in spots, and I had decided they were kinda pretty - I like seeing them on the roadsides in drifts in Eastern Ontario. I plan on moving them into a wildish bed behind the garage.

The wild parsnip, aka wild hogweed, aka cow parsnip has definitely invaded this area in the last few years. What is sad is that the normal method to try to control it is spraying with herbicides.

Most definately Echium vulgare, thanks floral! Midnightsmum, does the parsnip have white or yellow flowers?

Yes Echium vulgare has been blooming here for quite a while too, and the bees do love them as well as Goldfinches. I am rather inundated with E. v. on my rural property.

The wild parsnip, aka wild hog-weed, aka cow parsnip has definitely invaded this area in the last few years

In North America those last two names are often for Heracleum, which may not be what was suggested here when wild parsnip was brought up - if botanical names had been used from the start it would be possible to tell.

Here H. mantegazzianum is giant hog-weed, a nuisance plant of foreign origin. With cow parsnip being H. maximum (H. lanatum), a native wildflower. I have seen herbicide damage to the native species in a park in my region, no doubt due to a case of mistaken identity.

The leaves of the plant asked about on this thread do not look like those of either of these two species.

I believe we were referring to it probably being Pastinaca sativa. Wild parsnip being a parsnip growing in the wild. Yes, all these carrot family members do get their common names mucked up continuously and the errors go unnoted because everyone feels that no matter what common name is used for them it's permissable. So Em, which species of Heracleum is a native wildflower, because I try to grow as many native Apiaceae as I can, for the Swallowtails. Floral, how are your plants doing with the freak heatwave/drought you're experiencing?

Yes, I was referring to parsnips, Pastinaca sativa, not Hogweed, Heracleum. In my world the common names refer to different plants and aren't interchangeable. Parsnips have yellow flowers.

Eta the ornamental plants are fine, thanks, but I'm fed up with watering in the vegetables. We're not allowed hoses at the allotments do its all done with watering cans. I wish it would rain. I don't remember weather like this ever. Day after day of sun and no rain for at least four weeks. But there's plenty of soil moisture at depth. Trees shrubs and perennials are fine.

It sounded serious to me, when I heard about all the rivers getting low. I don't understand why they would allow green spaces in allotments, but not hoses? In a country full of gardeners?

perrin.all, thanks for mentioning the goldfinches. You just gave me another good reason not to totally obliterate it. That blue with pink flower color is magnificent.

Jay, the hose regulation is only on my allotment and it is so that no one allotmenteer hogs the water taps. If someone were to set up a hose no one else could access the tap. It's a pain but it's fair. Normally we don't need to water much. Just a few sprinklings on seedlings and newly planted things in summer. Green spaces stay green all year round without any help. It's not that they're 'allowed'. Green is the default state of things.

Hee, this time of year, brown is the default state of most things that are unwatered. Whereas, flooding in spring is natural. Gotta love it.

Jay - no flowers yet - I may leave it to see what comes. The last rain in this area was June 27th. I am watering more than I would like, but the soil is like dust. Eventually, I would like to invest in soaker hoses, but that is not in the budget at this time. I do love those blue-pink flowers and we are attracting lots of bees and pollinators which is so needed here. I am hoping to get some more butterflies and get some pics - amazingly, my photos are generally clearer than evidenced here. Thanks to all again.

which species of Heracleum is a native wildflower

H. maximum

Thanks, I looked it up on bonap. Have ordered seeds. Bonap also shows H. mantegazianum present in Illinois, but I have never seen it.

Be careful with both the H. maximum and H. mantegazianum. They both can cause burns and skin rashes, especially the H. mantegazianum, if you come into contact with the sap.

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