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Rock Garden Mess --- Help!

7 years ago

Please help me figure out this landscaping problem. Mostly the property is woods, but close to the front door some order is needed.


Photo 1: April 2019 - you see overuse of Alabama Sunset, a beautiful gravel but colorful and informal. The whole area is an undifferentiated mess......and this is before the weeds start taking over!


Photo 2: current (June 2019.) I planted dwarf boxwoods (Winter Gem) along the wall to the left and filled in with mulch. Then used existing fieldstones to build little rock walls around the hostas, adjusted the Fon du Lac stepping stones, and dug out the Alabama Sunset gravel and river stones, washed them and set them aside.


Plan: I was thinking of laying 5/8 minus light-colored gravel around the Fon du Lac stepping stones to coordinate with the colors of the limestone wall. In the foreground was going to put back the Alabama Sunset and river rocks, but now that they're gone it looks much better without them!


So I thought maybe fieldstones trailing off left and right of the big rock for kind of a creek-like effect, then filling in the foreground with a much smaller amount of the Alabama Sunset and river rocks. I don't think I want plants in the foreground - the whole property is woods, seems like the house needs to be anchored.


Anyway, I'm stumped. What would you do?


Thank you for any advice you can offer!


creekgirl



Comments (26)

  • 7 years ago

    Have you pressure-washed the sidewalks already this year? That could change the appearance. For rocks, I'd go with a maximum of two shapes: the existing flagstone and one rounded rock style.

    creekgirl thanked apple_pie_order
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks, apple_pie_order. I can see how too many shapes could get incoherent. So I should use the Alabama Sunset between the flagstones instead of crushed gravel?


    (When I first got a power washer it was so effective I used it on everything! But then wondered if I may have inadvertedly pitted smooth limestone surfaces and concrete causing more/worse grime retention. So now I scrub on hands and knees. It's a lot more time/labor intensive.)

  • 7 years ago

    Step one is to figure out where in the world you are. Rock landscaping is extremely high maintenance anywhere it rains. Add in a wooded location, and you have invented weed nirvana.

    If you want something simple, replace the stone with appropriate groundcovers. The hostas are a good start, so long as you don't have deer.

    creekgirl thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
  • 7 years ago

    I'd use the bigger rocks, not gravel, because you already tried the gravel and didn't like it.

    There may be concrete sealers that you can use after power washing. Ask a concrete contractor what they recommend. Sometimes concrete is so old and porous it's just like a sponge for keeping dirt in nooks and crannies. Worth checking out to see what's possible.

    creekgirl thanked apple_pie_order
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Love the appearance of maintenance free natural grass clumps in contrast with rock walls.



    creekgirl thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • 7 years ago

    To me, seems you have enough hard surfaces - and the black lines around the stones add hard angles. So I like idea of a mass planting of one soft something, and a bit of other for variety.

    creekgirl thanked everdebz
  • 7 years ago

    Rock is a pain! Spent 2 years digging it out of flower beds. If you think it will do well in your area, consider a Japanese raked garden. I would pull some red into the area to go with the chimneys. Try some lighting too.


    Japanese Inspired Garden · More Info


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    creekgirl thanked decoenthusiaste
  • 7 years ago

    Looks ;ike it's going to be a great space

  • 7 years ago

    Thank you all! These are ideas I wouldn't have thought of myself!


    Conditions: Middle of the middle of the US. Snow/rain. Trees overhead (sun/shade, leaves, twigs, acorns.) Deer (the only hostas they haven't decimated are the ones close to the house.)


    I'm reluctant to tear out the boxwoods and hostas, but I do like simple MCM/Eichler landscaping of gravel and grasses. Would that be too desert-y for the midwest? (actually the midwest is like a tropical rainforest these days with all this heavy, endless rain.......)

  • 7 years ago

    Again, thank you for the MCM photos. Such beautiful homes and landscaping!

  • 7 years ago

    Good to talk about the old Prairie grasses - they like the Midwest I'm pretty sure. :)

    Though a bit raggedy looking maybe, I like red-twigged dogwood...

    creekgirl thanked everdebz
  • 7 years ago
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    Online: Deer-proof bushes can also bring interest to the landscape in the winter when there is little else showing color in the yard. Christmas berry (Heteromeles arbutifolia), a drought resistant native evergreen, produces fluffy white flowers in sprays. During the winter, large clusters of bright red berries attract the birds to the landscape.

    Arctic Sun red twig dogwood (Cornus sanguine “Cato”) reaches 3 to 4 feet tall and wide in USDA zones 4 through 9. During the summer, the shrub is covered with white flowers and golden-yellow leaves. When this deciduous bush drops its leaves in the fall, bright yellow stems tipped with red are visible all winter.

    Arctic Sun™ Red Twig Dogwood · More Info

    https://www.houzz.com/photos/arctic-sun™-red-twig-dogwood-rustic-landscape-grand-rapids-phvw-vp~7490817

    creekgirl thanked everdebz
  • 7 years ago

    I'd think the solid red stems would be nice, other varieties to see...

    "Distinctively puckered, glossy foliage of Pucker Up! red twig dogwood stands out. Compact growth and bright red stems add to this native's shrub's year-round appeal. 3-4' in height. Full Sun/Part Shade in USDA Zones 3- 8."

    Pucker Up!®Red Twig Dogwood · More Info


    creekgirl thanked everdebz
  • 7 years ago

    myrtle! loves shade, spreads will, absorbs acorns et al. will need to trim at edges of sidewalk and big rock, but otherwise should go pretty low-maintenance. vinca minor.

    creekgirl thanked acm
  • 7 years ago

    It would have been nice to have clump grasses where the dwarf boxwoods are, and red-twig dogwood where the hostas are. Drat. I fell back on the most unimaginative solutions.


    btw......an artist I know uses native redosier dogwood for building furniture and decor objects. He calls it "swamp willow"......apparently grows wild in northern states and somewhat aggressive in wetlands. Strong but flexible, with those beautiful smooth red stems. I'd love to have a stock of it here to make stuff with if it would take to a warmer zone!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornus_sericea


  • 7 years ago

    The hostas will die back completely in winter, leaving this front door area looking barren. Something with winter interest like Red Twig Dogwood would have been a better choice. But I'm stuck with hostas for now. And that great big rock. Any way to make things work with what I've got?

  • 7 years ago

    Nice space. If you’re looking for ground cover check out the Stepables plant site. I found it extremely helpful when planning for my woodland garden. It’s a well-organized site that offers plant suggestions based on your conditions. https://www.stepables.com

    creekgirl thanked cbezak
  • 7 years ago

    WOW, Dig Doug's Designs! That looks really cool! What kind of Lenten Rose grows so tall? Does it remain green in winter? What were you figuring for the low green between the stepping stones? Beautiful rendering......thank you!!!

  • 7 years ago

    Three more photos. Hope they help! After photo #1, I took out more rocks, hoping it might inspire me to see the space in a different way. But it did not help......if anything it just looks worse to me.......



  • 7 years ago

    I divided my hostas as I was told to do! and maybe look into moving them.

    Night lighting would draw eyes toward that area and texture of the stones...

    creekgirl thanked everdebz
  • 7 years ago

    I like DigDoug's idea of sectioning off gravel areas with edging, as it could help create structure that would incorporate the big rock, which as it is just seems to sit there unrelated to anything.

  • 7 years ago

    That is a really interesting website for low growing perennials, cbezak. Thank you!

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    creekgirl thanked Dig Doug's Designs
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for the link for Hellebores (Lenten Rose)! Could they be squeezed in with the hostas or would some hostas would have to go? Also wondering if Hellebores would actually be taller than the hostas. I do think a vertical element would be a good addition there.


    Would the stepping stone area look good with 5/8 clean white/grey limestone gravel rather than moss?




  • 7 years ago

    say you have greenhouses, or rustic looks on property, consider a natural look at front area...repeating a particular shrub, or plant at another spot you think "deserves" / has a focus for it.