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1940s house needs kitchen update

dabeeg
4 years ago

Good Day, Houzzers. We have a contract on a 1940s house that has some real charm in the front of the house. That charm does not exactly extend to the kitchen. Since we must do some major electrical and some plumbing repairs, it seems wasteful to fix things up and “live it in a year or two”, then decide to make wholesale changes. Normally, I agree with learning the house first. This is a second home for us, so we have the luxury of time and some resources to do a major renovation if that makes sense.

Looking for ideas on kitchen flow, use of little room and the counter. I am not ready to talk finishes yet as the budget will be partially determined by the cost of the unseen repairs. This is a second home now but may become our primary house as we age and need to live on one floor.


The house flows foyer to den to dining room to kitchen. There is currently a counter built in the wall between the dining room and kitchen which we believe was added maybe 10 years ago. There is a swinging door between the kitchen and dining room that is likely original.


Here is the foyer to den view. We will change the built in to right of fireplace in some way (maybe TV mount) and maybe add a window seat to the left. That may be all we do to this room besides paint walls and clean up floors.





This is the dining room from the den. It has glass paned French doors between that were open in this pic. From here, you can see the counter. We are of two minds. Building in cabinets under the full length of counter on dining room side would be a great place to store cookbooks. We would replace the tile top with soapstone if go that direction. Very interested in what Houzzers think about this counter. We are not opposed to closing the wall back up and filling that space with built in bookshelves.





The kitchen is a large space with a small addition to right of the current range. The power panel is on the wall in this addition. I had originally proposed to put a small eat in booth in this area as the window faces morning sun. Other half nixed that idea. I am leaning to some sort of seating there unless we go whole hog and move an exterior door there - my most radical idea that may have to wait for phase 2. Right now, there is about six foot drop to ground but other half considering wrap around deck. What do y’all think might good use for this space?




The kitchen itself is a good size space, but the current layout is skimpy on cabinets and the refrigerator looks like a giant in the room. The current island will go away as it is not fixed and has lots of glass fronts. (I have big dog with strong tail, no glass at dog level please).

I like the sink under window - will be using stainless farmhouse sink. Other half wants exact one we have in our main house. I like the cooktop on exterior wall and want a real hood that vents outside. I do not like the placement of the range as it is too close to the little additional room. Anyone or anything in little room might be splashed with hot cooking. We want separate appliances for gas cooktop, wall oven, convection microwave. I have a countertop steam / toaster oven in our main house that we use all the time. So need to account for same or maybe find micro combo if such exists. We do not want counter depth fridge and other half does not even want wall next to one side of fridge. Says building in fridge limits us in future when it needs replacing. Cabinets on top of fridge are acceptable.






There is plenty of room on wall between counter and door to hall for lower cabs if needed. Other half wants some room to breathe in kitchen. Have not really got definition of what that means just yet. Maybe some of you cooks will understand.

The opposite wall has exterior door and little cabinet that may stay because it seems original to the house. I could store trays there if remove some shelves.


Looking for ideas on kitchen layout. I am considering replacing exterior door or two with window but that might be later stage, along with converting porch to sunroom with a little expansion. Having those two exterior doors so close together does not make sense to me. Few changes to exterior are budgeted just now except porch repair or replacement. There is a porch connecting kitchen exterior door and dining exterior door that is rotten and must be replaced. Other half will replace and may extend porch around back of house.





I intend to hire a kitchen and bath designer after closing, but hoping to have a little fun and get some ideas from this group. As a group, Houzz folks amaze me with ideas that seem obvious after one of you mentions them but not something I might have thought of.

I do not need a plan “tomorrow”. There are basic items that must be dealt with first and I am in the queue with my favorite carpenter crew.

All ideas are welcome. I am sure I forgot to tell you something so please ask away. I work full time, so will be responding as I can. Thank you!

Does anyone know how to rotate pictures in Houzz? They are correct in photo album. I tried to post this in the app, in the browser and using the laptop - cannot get most picture orientation correct.


Comments (14)

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    And it appears to eaten the pics. Trying again




  • yvonnecmartin
    4 years ago

    photos didn't load

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Foyer to den

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Den to Dining Room

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Small room off kitchen

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Kitchen cabinets

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Side wall in kitchen

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    “Interesting” counter

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Kitchen cabinets

  • mama goose_gw zn6OH
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I couldn't read most of the measurements, but I think I have the kitchen space correct--16'8" x 12'8". Since it's early in the game, I'll post this layout, even though it doesn't give you everything on the list, and might be more structural work than you're willing to have done. I opened the wall between the kitchen and dining room, and moved the door to the hall. The door to the porch has been turned into a window, although it could stay.

    The little room to the right is a pantry, with cabinets on both sides of the door, re-used from the pass-through counter (if you're interested in keeping original cabinets, and if they can be reconfigured). I also ear-marked the swinging door for re-use on the pantry, if it fits.

    At 12'8" the kitchen is a little tight for an island with seating, and if you don't need seating in the kitchen, the island could be one row of standard-depth bases and another row of 15" cabinets on the back. With a 1" overhang on the work side, a minimal back panel, and 15" seating overhang, the island will be just over 40". The traffic aisle is 44", and the work aisle 43". I added a prep sink, to give you a convenient, open work zone, with breathing space--for your other half. There is a secondary prep space to the left of the clean-up sink, with extra work space to the right.

    The fridge is against a stub wall, but not in a corner. I couldn't find a space to recess it, so I drew a 36" CD fridge. You could recess a standard-depth fridge into the stud space on the wall behind it, to gain a few inches, but I think it would still encroach on the (already narrow) work aisle.

    The window and door locations might need tweaked, but this gives the general layout. If you can provide exact, legible measurements, you might get more ideas. Good luck!

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thank you, mama goose. I will not have access to inside until we close which may be 2 weeks out yet.

  • dabeeg
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Mama goose, we both like the primary work triangle and island seating. Thank you for your idea

  • mama goose_gw zn6OH
    4 years ago

    You're welcome. If you know the measurements of each wall, door, and window, you can tell us by using the pic of the existing plan--i.e. line A = X, door 1 = Y, etc.

    In the meantime, I thought of another structural change, which would allow you to have the cooktop and hood on the exterior wall, and moves the clean-up zone closer to the DR. This plan has only one sink, but a lot of counter space for helpers. Here's a quick rearrangement:

  • mama goose_gw zn6OH
    4 years ago

    Your pantry in the small room could be an abbreviated version of this:

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