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Which Trane HVAC?

7 years ago

We are replacing one of two furnance/compressor units in our 4000 square foot home. This one is for the larger downstairs area and I'm not sure which model to get. Any advice would be much appreciated. We have estimates for:


Trane S80 S8B1C100M5 (100,000 BTU variable 3 speed) & XR13 Seer variable 3 speed 4.0 Ton (4TTR3048A1000A) - $8890


Trane XV80 TUD2C100A9V5 (100,000 BTU 2 stage variable speed) & XR16 Seer variable 3 speed 4.0 ton (4TTR6048A1000A) - $10810


Trane S9V2C100U4PSBB (100,000 BTU 2 stage variable speed) & XR16 Seer variable 3 speed 4.0 ton (4TTR6048A1000A) - $11840


All estimates include installation, new supply and return ductwork, inspection of existing ductwork, new freon lines, pic flue piping, new low and line voltage connections, new sold level base pad, new emergency pan and electronic wet switch, new electronic disconnect box, new power conduit wiring to ac, and color touchscreen wifi thermostat


Also have an estimate from another company for:


Trane S80 S8B1C100M5 (100,000 BTU variable 3 speed) & XR14 (4TTR3048A1000A) - $8195


Trane S80 S8B1C100M5 (100,000 BTU variable 3 speed) & XR16 (4TTR6048A1000A) - $8939


Trane S9X2 TS9X2D120U5 (100,000 BTU) & XR16 (4TTR6048A1000A) - 11,257


These estimates seem a little less, but there is no mention of a thermostat and the estimate says "connect to existing ductwork, copper and electricals).


I'm not sure if the higher efficiency furnace is worth the cost. We live not too far from Philadelphia, PA, but we have propane heat so our bill for heating is about $3000 a year. Air is much less. Any advice on these models or which company you would suggest would be most appreciated! THANK YOU!



Comments (9)

  • 7 years ago

    What size both furnace (eff) and AC are you replacing? What size living area will be served? I don't understand the sizing of the furnaces that you were quoted. since propane is the furnace fuel, you want to be sized correctly. What is your electric rate? If operating costs are important to you, I would consider pairing furnace with a heat pump.


    IMO

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for your reply! We are replacing a Trane XE80 100,000 BTU and a Trane XB1000 model number TTB060D100A0 (couldn't find the Seer). Our electric rate is 0.06413 per kWh plus 0.06211 per kWh generation charges and 0.00570 per kWh transmission charges.

  • 7 years ago

    I encourage you to request a load calculation in writing both heating and cooling. I will assume you want propane as part of your heating component. unless there are building type issues, I definitely would want a high eff condensing furnace, 95%+ efficiency since propane is so expensive. I would also pair with a high eff heat pump to take advantage of the operating cost leverage between propane and electric. Just so you are aware, Trane's sister company Am Standard has exact same equipment and usually less expensive. What is your cost/gal for propane?


    IMO

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Fuel comparison

    using 3.00 COP for eff of heat pump at $.13/KWH

    95% eff for propane at $2.25/ gallon

    Cost per 100,000 btu of useable heat

    Electric baseboard: $3.43

    Heat pump: $1.27

    Propane: $2.59

  • 7 years ago

    Thank you! If I prepay my propane, it's actually $1.49 a gallon (at least right now). Would you still recommend the heat pump/high efficiency furnace? Thank you for all of this valuable info.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Using $1.50 for propane, here are the numbers. still a nice savings down to temp balance point where propane furnace would switch over for the colder weather. this gives you flexibility as well. About 25% savings ...

    Cost per 100,000 btu of useable heat

    Electric baseboard: $3.43

    Heat pump: $1.27

    Propane: $1.73

    you can be assured that propane will not stay at $1.50/gallon...


    it's important you get sized correctly both furnace and heat pump. 100 KBTU furnaces are ridiculous...


    IMO

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Two 100K BTU furnaces seem very over sized for a 4000 sq. foot house seem very over sized. I would think two 60K 95%+ efficiency furnaces would be fine.

    "we have propane heat so our bill for heating is about $3000 a year. "

    That's a lot of money for heating for the Philadelphia area. You either have a very poorly insulated house and/or your furnaces are operating very inefficiently. You may also have duct work problems. You need to find a contractor who will do a load calculation and inspect your duct work.

    Is natural gas available on your street? If it is, then I suggest finding out how much it would cost to bring the service into your house. If natural gas is not an option, then the dual fuel system (heat pump with propane furnace as the backup) is your best option in terms of operating costs.

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks! We are in New Hope, PA just outside of Philadelphia. We do have a two story family room so there's a lot of open space.

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