It's been raining every time I turn around this fall. Hopefully some beds and planting tomorrow and Wed. I have been driving for a friend who broke her wrist a couple of weeks back and am finally getting adapted to a new schedule at work. Been a real bear of a summer around here!

This has been the wettest year on record to date for here. Normally we get 20-25 inches of precip a year, but we are already pushing 40" and we haven't even had a flake of snow yet this fall.

Just today I prepped one on the areas where I plan to plant garlic and onions. Much of my garden is still producing, though not the quantity of the summertime so I am waiting to pull plants. Have a good amount of green tomatoes out there and want them to get as big as possible before frying them. The tartness increases with the cooler temps.

Dutch - Looks like you might be getting some wet snow on Saturday. My brother in Stillwater has been complaining about the rain most of the summer. I don't think he had to water his garden at his cabin in WI very much and his soil is very sandy. Good luck getting some dry days to plant. Looks like next week may be drier.

Cindy - I have 7 raised beds that are vacant right now but I still haven't amended any of them for planting. I only need one of the 4x10 beds for garlic. We have a low of 33 forecast on Saturday so that will do in the peppers. I usually add Garden Tone to the garlic bed before planting but I don't have any at the moment. I might just use some triple 13.

I noticed some of my German White seed stock had some soft cloves so I am going to move the garlic planting up a week and plant this weekend. Both days are supposed to be sunny.

Jack, I have some customers out in the Dakotas, and Montana, they are getting hit a whole lot harder than what we will get here in Minneapolis. I am not so sure we are even going to get a killing frost this weekend, although it will be close.

I have had quite a bit going on this year and every time I thought I could break loose a little time for the garden it rained. Fishing tackle stayed in the back seat, too, only got out a couple of times for that. In past years I would fish three or four times a week - !!! Thank heavens I didn't have to water the garden once this year. I wouldn't have had the time.

Yesterday brought in the last of the peppers, dug what few sweet potatoes there were (actually as scrawny as the vines were, I got a few more spuds than I expected) and wonder of wonders was able to harvest 5 heads of cabbage that had not bolted from a spring planting. They should all have bolted long ago, but I got the little heads and those just seemed to stand and stand. I will grow that variety again. They are hard as a baseball, too. I purposely picked one of the midget very early cabbages (smaller than a softball); so they still being there was an unexpected bonus; they should have been gone months ago. OTOH the lettuce never made anything but seed! I got a few early tomatoes, but didn't get my fencing up and the squirrels got the rest (and I think the squirrls also developed a taste for eggplant!).

I took some cuttings from the sweet potatoes and hope to carry them over the winter as potted vines. Still no bulbs on the seeded onions under the lights and the hippeastrums I held over keep putting out new leaves; so they are not likely to flower for Christmas. (LOL I am not religious so that really is no loss...) The topset onions are all sprouting real nice; so there is a crop of scallions yet to be had, too.

I got some indoor flowering bulbs that I have not grown before; so this will be another set of experiments: The Sonatini hippeastrums I got a couple of days ago should be done by then...

We had pretty good luck last winter with paperwhites in the bulb jars, but a close friend thinks the normal (and easiest) variety stinks; so I got a couple of different types that hopefully will do as well and be more acceptable.

There are now several retail outlets in the Twin Cities that offer seed garlic bulbs at the correct time for planting; looks like some of these merchants are wising up a bit. There is quite a bit of variety in the quality being offered, however. Some of them would hardly be large enough to rival the "organic garlic" offered in the supermarkets... :-) Some of the others are really nice sized.

Sorry to babble, friends. It has been a while since I could sit down and actually chat a bit; so I got carried away a little. Catching up and all that.

Dutch - no need to apologize at all. It sounds like you had a busy year. I didn't get to fish much either. The lake (reservoir) I go to where a friend has a cabin was 20'+ above normal pool most of the summer and all of the boat launches were under water and his dock was unreachable without swimming. We might try to get down there one more time and try our luck at white bass, crappie, and maybe a walleye or 2.

33F predicted here Saturday morning. I harvested the rest of my peppers last night except the Jalapenos. It started raining before I could get them picked so I'll do that this evening.

I'll start busting up my seed garlic bulbs tonight and see what I have. Hopefully I have 63 solid German White cloves to plant. If not I'll plant extra Chesnok Red which are still in perfect shape. I haven't paid any attention to the grocery store garlic to see if they have hardneck. My favorite gardening shop always has some hardneck bulbs of unknown variety for sale too.

I still need to amend the garlic bed before planting tomorrow. I have plenty of compost and will just mix in a few handfuls of triple 13 into the soil after tilling in the compost. I'm still planning the intense spacing in a 6" grid. I used to plant with this spacing a few years ago and then started giving them 8-9" between rows and 6" in row and it didn't seem to yield any larger bulbs so I'm going back to my old spacing.

Our grocery stores around here only carry softnecks any more. A few years back one of them would bring in a more colorful hardneck for a while in late spring, but they had some problems with the supplier and now all they get is Cali whites. There is one smaller nursery up here that has a variety of hardnecks grown for them locally. Real nice seed bulbs and big, too. No Music from them this year though; it did not size up enough for them.

I got to move some daylilies, some walking onions and then build the beds. This old boy just plain gets tired only thinking about it... ;-)

I made some chili powder today. I got more hots than I planned on and from somewhere about half of what I thought were going to be Sweet Banana turned out to be a medium hot variety. I kept some of the nicer fruits to check on seed. Those little reds were sort of on the order of poblanos, semi-hot with quite a linger of tingle after on the lips but not too bad on the throat. Real nice bite and good flavor without the pain. If they come true from seed, I will keep them around.

I got my garlic planted on Saturday after we got a hard frost overnight. It was a little chili when I was out prepping the bed and burying cloves. I managed to find the 63 good plump cloves of German White that I needed for planting but just barely. Spanish Roja and Chesnok Red were not a problem. I have a sandwich bag filled full with rejected cloves that I will slice and dehydrate for making powder next weekend.

I received my order of seed garlic from Filaree yesterday - Polish hardneck, Kyjev and Montana Zemo. The bulbs look excellent so hopefully these will be successful for me. I need to check over my sad harvest of German Giant, Russian Red and Music to see how many viable cloves I have for planting as well. I'll be prepping my beds this week and planting the following week or week after.

Good luck guys. My garden is still all mud! I am going to have to plant anyway sometime real soon. The chili powder has turned out real well. Got a real nice zip that starts easy and grows on you to a real heavy burn, but that stays mostly in the mouth with very little throat pain. The effect lingers on the lips for quite some time, too. I set aside some pods of both jalapenos and the interloper so we shall see how that goes next summer.

I have real nice stands of Welsh onions, and the walkers and way too many clumps of garlic chives, which I intend to harvest as many of as I can dig out over the next couple of days. I suspect they have reseeded enough to keep me in garlic chives into the next century! Be real careful to dead head garlic chives. One missed season and they will show up everywhere including in the cracks of your sidewalks. Pretty flowers though that make nice cut bouquets and a relatively mild garlicy flavor to cook with.

So far no killing frost yet here in Minneapolis and none forecast for the next week or so. Just rain every few days, enough to keep my beds all mud. The moisture this year here has been an all time record, perhaps with snow fall close to twice normal.

Well the debate is on so, enough for now.

I started to plant the first week of September and they have all for the most part sent out foliage already. I have two soft neck varieties and three hardbacks as follows: Cinna Rose and Early Italian Purple are soft necks and Korean Red, Music and German Extra Hardy are the hardbacks. Third year of growing here and they do much better than I expected for being moved 600 miles north.

Sorry that I did not mention where I live which is the southwest part of Washington aka THE beach.

Mud or no mud the garlic bed is made. I named my tiller today also. Only about 200 square feet to till, but she got the name Beatrice (Haven) IOW mis be having. That took twice as long as it should have. It's enough to do with an electric Mantis in the first place! I expect that I will not move much out of the chair at work tomorrow...

Nice rich bed, give another two to four week before freeze up and my garlics should still do alright.

I got all of my garlic planted yesterday and am really glad I did it then. Today was supposed to be warmer with only 10% chance of rain but it's been raining for 3.5 hours already. lol!

I looked over my seed supply today and it looks as though I might have 25 viable cloves each of Music, Russian Red and German Giant from last year's sad harvest. The new stock I bought looks great, though, so I should be able to plant 25 each Kyjev and Montana Zemo, and 40-50 Polish hardneck. Just have to decide how much bed space I want to devote to garlic this year.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY. I've been planting my unknown porcelain garlic stock in the same beds for almost 20 years with excellent results. I'm usually planted by Halloween latest. I received these heirloom bulbs from a local farmer in Highland, NY all those years ago. Its short uniform growth, thick scapes and long storage give me no reason to plant others. I have tried Music and I've been replanting Music the last 4 years. The bulbs and scapes are huge, the plants grow very tall and shelf like is poor. I really not impressed with my music stock. These are my give away bulbs.

My garlic beds get a good helping of seasoned cow manure every fall. Its a must!!! Garlic roots grow quick. Late November I pile leaves over the garlic beds at least a foot high. Over the winter the snow will compact the leaves. Early Spring fluff the leaves a little bit, the garlic shoots will find their way. I've never take the leaves off ever. The leaves will act as a weed barrier and the worms will mulch everything by July harvest time. After harvest I always plant bush beans in my garlic beds. Its works great for me. Give it a try!

I got a late start this year, but just got them in last weekend. The rain has caused problems around here. This year I have 26 varieties and I plant about 16 of each, some more, some a little less. Porcelains and Purple Stripe varieties grow best for me, but I do have a nice collection of Artichoke, a couple Rocombole's a Turban and an Asian.

I started my collection buying just a few new varieties each year, but haven't bought any for several years now. I am due!

Before planting I sort them into labeled containers, give them an alcohol soak for about 10 minutes then soak them overnight in a kelp/fish solution. Ever since I started this prep I haven't had any disease issues and very little winter loss.

The area where I'm planning to plant was cleared out today. It had old dead tomato vines and weeds. Now it is wet soil. I'm hoping it dries out some before I plant next week. For several years I planted garlic at a school garden. We planted on Halloween and joked that it kept the vampires away :) That garlic always did well, so I'm going with Halloween at home this year. I'm cutting way back on what I plant since I really don't use a lot of garlic and can use the garden space for other veggies.

NG - Cutting back? Blasphemy! More, more, more! :-P

It is very difficult for me to stop planting if there is still room for them--they are singing the more, more, more tune for me as well. Will be strong and stop now. Last go at it was with some beautiful white garlic I found at Safeway and they are first to come up, not surprisingly.

Also no surprise that the deer are at it again, time to drag out the fencing. Once they are taller it will not be as attractive to deer for some reason, perhaps the leaves are too leathery for their toothless pallets.

Got my garlic in this afternoon finally. I got a duet going the garlic is singing out more more more, my ancient back is singing less less less. LOL This is my map for this fall's planting. Not in true scale however, just sorta to scale. About 4' x 20' total excluding onions and daylily.

I finally got my beds prepped - I have three 4x4s and one 6x3ish dedicated to garlic this year. I plan to plant 6" apart in rows 6" apart, so that will give me 49 plants in each 4x4 bed and 44 in the 6x3 bed (assuming I do four rows - historically I have only done three but I think four is possible. Each one got a nice dose of compost and a bit of manure.

Speaking of soil amendments, do any of you top dress your garlic in the spring with additional compost or manure? I feel like I might have skimped on manure this year...

The last couple of years I have been mulching with about a two inch 50/50 mixture of compost and coir when the new growth is big enoug to stick out of it a couple of inches, and then topping that with a couple of inches of last falls leaves down the road abit. Sidedress with Miloganite a couple of times during active growth up until about the time the scapes get a full curl.

Gorgeous sunny, cool day here - perfect weather for planting garlic! I planted 183 total including 22 Kyjev, 43 Polish Hardneck, 24 Montana Zemo, 27 Music, 40 German Giant and 27 Russian Red in four beds (three 4x4 and one 5x2.5). The Montana Zemo cloves are MONSTERS - I bought a pound of seed garlic and only got 24 cloves, 4-5 per head. Each clove was the size of a small shallot, though! By way of comparison, I only bought a 1/4 pound of Kyjev seed and got almost the same number of cloves.

Most of the cloves from my old stock of Music, German and Russian were quite small - I don't have the highest hopes for these after last year's fail. I will be paying closer attention to the fertilization schedule and stealing some ideas from you veteran garlic farmers to encourage better growth.

I also planted 50 daffodils and 100 muscari, or about 1/4 of the bulbs I have to plant this year! Thank goodness they're mostly perennial/naturalizers. We completed a big landscaping project this summer (new retaining walls, new beds, etc.) so hopefully these will look good where I put them and never need to move again - the new hardscape just needs some mature plantings to look good.

Well, the ground here never did dry out, and the long term forecast shows no sign of that changing. I've planted in November before, but that was on prepared ground. The rural garden (where I plant my garlic) was never dry enough to till the weeds under... at this point, it looks like a lost cause. I'll try to preserve a few of my favorite varieties over the winter for Spring planting, but it looks like all I can do with the rest is dehydrate it. Unless this hyper-wet weather pattern shifts, I'm done with garlic.

It was iffy here in Minneapolis too, but I went ahead and snuck the little tiller through and then planted in what was real close to mud. We will see what happens next spring. They are saying this will be a record breaking year around here for yearly moisture, and Wisconsin got it worse than here. If we don't get something close to a dry spring, it is going to be tough to get any garden in next year, too.

The garlic is in - finally. We had lots of rain and early snow that surprised me. Then a relative ended up in ER - thankfully that turned out very good.

So, over the weekend I put in a small amount of Music, Bogatyr, Purple Glazer, and Belarus garlic purchased at a local farmers' market. The Bogatyr vendor said he was not growing it again since it grew poorly. What I bought looked fine so I planted it and will see if it does better for me.

I also planted unknown softneck cloves from a local produce market. They may have been grown locally. I'm not really sure. I also planted the original garlic I grew when I knew nothing about garlic growing. It was from a grocery store multi-pack - the kind that usually has small softneck California White bulbs. But what I purchased was a hardneck - not that I even knew the term at the time. I've grown it ever since, and it does great here.

Old Dutch, I put in 7 tulip bulbs. LOL I know that is hardly any. The deer and rabbits love to eat any tulips I plant so I've mostly stopped trying to grow them. But maybe I can protect 7 plants with multiple fences, etc. and get some stems to cut for an indoor bouquet. I sure won't be able to see them through all the layers of protection if they stay outside!

No deer here in the heart of the city, but we do have some cottontails. Our big rodent problem is the squirrels. I switched tulip varieties this fall from Appeldoorns to Sky High Scarlet. The latter proven to have their flowers out of the reach of the tree rats or whatever it is that was eating my red tulip flowers as they opened up. The SHS can reach to close to 36 inches, which the trial ones did last year and stayed nice and straight with no falling over either. I was real impressed. We shall see what they do next year. Kinda sad to give up my red Appeldoorns, since I have been growing my own back now for several years and was kinda attached to em.

I do not have pest problems with my garlics, but sure do with my tomatoes, and last summer something developed a taste for eggplant fruits....

Since I moved to WA two years ago I have been growing garlic in 16" or larger cans exclusively. I can get at least 10 to 12 per can. If you want to save a variety or even test run it before planting out on your land this makes this pretty easy even if you become addicted to the hose later in the year. I am still not settled in to a place that makes it possible to grow the garlic in ground.

Everything came up one pitfall at a friends place gotten eaten to the ground. I put up my 2x4 fencing there and they moved over to strip the rose. The 4 plants at my place came up well even if much later than the first I did this year. Put the nice and pretty darn big CA whites from Safeway in last and they are the nicest looking so far.

It's currently a bit of fresh garlic planting time around here... some of the heads that were bigger than baby pickling and smaller than messing with for cooking up from the mother bed is getting planted in on the indoor start ups with winter greens. The tween seed garlic makes for great garlic greens during this winter time when fresh is nice and you get the itch to grow. I like to recycle a couple salad greens clamshell bins from the store and plant garlic 6-10 heads in a bin depending on the garlic and the bin.

We've had a mild winter and many of my bulbs, including some varieties of garlic, are breaking through! Music and Polish hardneck are ahead of the rest with a couple of inches of green showing, but a few others are poking out as well. I started some herb and pepper seeds last weekend in the basement. Spring will be here before we know it!

We still have a pretty good snow cover on the lawns and gardens. Time to start some few things here as well. I intend to do some this coming week. OTOH it is mild enough that I may go out on the ice and see if I can find some crappies, too. :-) For me crappie fishing is a huge part of spring fever right along with the garden!`

I don't think we had a deep frost this year. Really been mild and we have had a good snow cover.

We've had an exceptionally beautiful two weeks of early March and all of my garlic varieties are up, some 4-5 inches! I raked back the shredded leaf mulch and fertilized with urea today, then replaced about half of the mulch so there's just a light layer now.

maybe I'm the oddball or just don't like to follow some made-up rules someone came up with ;-) but i plant garlic in the early spring, not the fall. there is less problems down the road with garlic planted in the spring. better chance of a harvest than planting and leaving them to rot in the ground because of how wet fall/winter can be (at least for me). my growing season for most vegetables in 7a is from April to early October.. plenty of time for garlic to grow into nice size bulbs.

I lost a complete planting to rot about my second year of growing garlic seriously planting them in a trench thinking to be ready with irrigation channels for the spring. Snow melt puddled, froze, repuddled, refroze and Iost the whole works. Since then I make sure my beds are raised and if not for the squirrels I would have a perfect stand. And that without mulch. I mulch in the summer rather than over winter.

:-) I interplant my varieties of garlic with tulips which have to be planted in the fall anyway.

I have not had much success planting garlic in the spring here in Minneapolis (4b), but I am going to put in a few cloves around the tomatoes which will be inside chicken wire besides, hoping to keep the tree rats from my fruits. I plant my multiplier onions in the spring, however.

Stevie - We play by mother natures rules not man made rules! If spring planting works well for you who am I to argue! I've only had serious rot one time and that was from a very, very wet spring. My garlic wakes up sometime in February most years and is usually a foot tall by April. I harvest in late June normally.

My garlic is doing very well so far. I think I have at least a 90% stand. As usual the German White is leading the way.

I bought some red shallots at the Asian market last week but haven't planted any yet. I think I'm just going to stick 2 or 3 each in a couple 2 gallon pots and call it good.

LoneJack, it's like any other plant. do we plant peppers and tomatoes in the fall? even though nature deposits the seeds at the end of the season and they can very well grow the following year on their own, yet - we do not typically plant them in the fall, but rather when they're best likely to have the best growing conditions, and that is typically in the spring.

the same can be applied to garlic. grow it when the conditions are best for your climate/environment. if you have a short growing season then sure, it might be best to plant it in the fall for the roots have a early start to get established due to a short growing season, but they really need really good drainage and ground cover if you live in an area that that has a cold climate and often see a lot of fluctuation in temperature/moisture.

personally, if i planted in the fall, i would mulch heavy with shredded leaves and tarp it over block out the water after it goes dormant (if they ended up sprouting) and remove it in spring.

Same can be applied to onions, and other bulbous crops.

Over the years I have missed digging a few garlic bulbs up at harvest in June and they always sprout by late September. It is nature's way of growing garlic and who am I to argue with nature? Besides, I want to use the garlic bed for a fall crop of something else like beans, carrots, lettuce, or beets.

Like a lot of other bulbs, (such as tulips, hyacinths, daffodils) planting garlic and some of the other alliums in the fall is quite appropriate, especially for the hardnecks that need the cooling period to trigger flowering and clove division. These are not seeds, but rather root divisions that need a cooling period for next summer's production. Not so important to the softnecks that don't usually even try to flower.

I do not winter mulch, but I do elevate my planting beds, pretty much the same way commercial garlic growers do. That is the key. Same for fall planted lilies, elevate for drainage and that protects against rot in most cases. The hardneck garlics I grow are perfectly hardy through zone 4 and well into USDA zone 3 WITHOUT protection. Drainage is the important consideration. Sometimes they come up before winter closes in, sometimes they don't. A little fall growth has never caused me a problem. Once I have growth in the spring, then I mulch to keep down weeds and preserve soil moisture.

FWIW I interplant my garlic with tulips in the fall. The tulips have to be planted deeper, but that is the only difference. The tulips do mature and have to be dug out earlier than the garlics. They are so similar though that I cure the tulips on the same screens I cure my garlic on. (and I get 3 to 5 times increase on blooming size bulbs on my tulips as well - I keep my own tulip bulbs back and replant the best every year).

the cooling period can easily be mimicked and doesn't need to be sub-freezing cold. i typically store my seed/bulbs in the attic where it's typically around 40-45F in the winter. heck, you can even put them in the refrigerator for a month or so. I am not disagreeing that fall might be the best time to plant them, but IMO there is less likely less issues with spring planting if you live say above zone 6+ with a decently-long growing season. there's no hard-rule that garlic has to be planted in the fall. also, by spring planting garlic, i mean when the ground basically is barely thawed and ground is still cool (6-8 weeks before last frost). i'm not referring to spring 60 degree temperatures! ;)

as of recent years, fall/winters for many people have been really abnormal. take my area for example. while our winters are generally mild, the high temperature didn't go below 32F ONCE the entire winter. the whole winter was basically around 40-50F with A LOT of rain.

In spring I am generally time short; so fall planting eases that. Here in zone 4 there really isn't that much spring summer time to begin with. It was just plain too wet last fall or I would have prepared other beds as well as the garlic one. IMO a prepared bed does best if it can rest before it gets planted. Fall prep for spring planting is what I prefer but nature didn't cooperate last fall.

I always planted late Fall, sometime in October. One year I had a death in the family and didn't get to the garlic, so I planted in the Spring. I saw no difference at all! So...now I plant as time allows..Fall if my garden is cleaned and ready for next year, Spring if I didn't have the time in the Fall.

Donna R- I have never planted in the spring and was wondering if your harvest was later having planted in the spring?

My garlic is looking fine so far this year. I have 4 x 50' rows, the rows 12" apart with 6" in-row spacing, and planted (left to right) with Music, Russian Red, Estonian Red, and Killarney Red. This is one row less than last year's bumper crop, which I am still eating fresh but just have too much for my wife and me, plus I have plenty of garlic powder and frozen garlic. Music always produces the largest plants and bulbs for me, and the Estonian Red always has paler leaves. This is my first year for Killarney Red.

Note that the leaf plane is oriented perpendicular to the rows to maximize sunlight and minimize the plant-to-plant shading that would occur if the leaf plane were in line with the rows (i.e. 12" of room to spread vs 6"). Garlic leaves form a fan shape within a single plane, and this plane grows in line (parallel) with the back of the cloves, so orienting the cloves at planting allows you to control the orientation of the leaf plane. Since I mulch heavily with grass clippings and chopped leaves, and leave it on all season, I don't have to weed or cultivate between the rows and therefore the leaves don't interfere.

Good to see you Tom! Your garlic stand looks to be a couple weeks ahead of mine here in the heartland. That is very interesting information about the leaf plane that I wasn't aware of. I'll have to try to remember that for the next planting. Where did you pick up that little tidbit? I don't recall reading that in Ted Meredith's book.

I need to go out and throw some urea on my garlic and onions this afternoon before the rain moves in. I ended up planting 133 cloves of 4 varieties in a 4x10 bed so a 6" spaced grid.

I gave mine another dose of urea two days ago, just before a soaking rain. They seem to be doing great and I had nearly 100% germination with only a couple of cloves either failed (or more likely dug up by squirrels). The Music, Polish, Montana and Kyjev all look fantastic. Russian Reds are growing but much smaller than any other - this variety has never really done well for me so I will probably dump it after this year if the other new ones are successful.

Hi LoneJack,

Actually it is in Ted Meredith's great "The Complete Book of Garlic" book, in the chapter "Planting the Cloves", specifically page 122 in the hardcover edition. It is a little known fact about garlic.

I fed my garlic about three weeks ago with bloodmeal sprinkled on top of the mulch. I'll do one more application in early May, then stop.

I have a pretty decent stand over all, but way behind the rest of you southerners... The farthest along is Maiskij, a turban, which did not do well for me last year, but is off to a very good start this year. They are just about ready for the first mulch which is half and half compost and coir. That will be next week maybe, if I can get my local ACE hardware to deliver. We are in a statewide lock down which kinda puts a crimp in shopping for garden supplies.

Tom - I'll have to read that chapter again before planting this fall. I fertilized with the urea last evening but it didn't rain much. More rain coming in this morning and it might be of the freezing variety. We are supposed to get into the upper 20s tonight. Love this yoyo weather!

Dutch - I think Lowes, HD, and Menards are doing curb side pickup here in KC. Not sure about Ace. That might be an option if you can get out on the road. Order it online and they can just put it in your trunk or truck bed and you won't have any contact. Better order some TP too! lol

Stay well and safe!!

I think I can get a delivery to my back alley, order and pay over the phone, hopefully, and I will move it in from there at my own pace. I think I can do that with one of my local ACE hardwares. Right now I am on break from working at home doing nationwide order support for a food distribution company. Been here 20 years and always in the same building except this past week got ordered to work from home. No layoff in sight, though, so that is a good thing. I work three twelves; so most of the week is mine. In the past I have hauled my own but this might even work out better. Just adapting to the difference ... This old dog has to learn some new tricks, I guess...