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Old Dining Table - Antique or just a family treasure

6 years ago

Hi, can I start by saying I know next to nothing about antiques but I thought someone might be interested in this story and be able to shed some light.

I am in possession of a timber dining table that has been in our family for many years. The family story is that it was made by my great uncle Archie. Our family moved from the UK to Australia in the early 1900's. Two brothers Ernest and Archie took up a farm in South West WA. Ernest’s son Horace (my father) took over the farm in 1942 and our family grew up with the dining table as a focal point for our family life. The farm is long gone and the siblings who are now spread across all points of Australia each have sentimental pieces of those days in their position.


We have never considered the table to be of any significant dollar value but there was a sentimental value to our family.


The table came into my possession a couple of years ago and it was in need of repair or disposing of so it has sat in my shed (partly dismantled) for at least 2 years until I got the time to do something about it. I considered disposing of it but the sentimental value stopped me from doing this.


Great Uncle Archie died many years before I was born however as a boy I remember seeing many of his old style carpentry tools in the farm shed. So the "Archie built it" story always seemed plausible as he was apparently a carpenter, the only question was whether he built it in Australia or did he build it in the UK and bring it with him when the family migrated? It’s a heavy table that takes two strong people to move so the latter has always seemed less likely.


Well this week I got around to doing something about it and thought I would have a crack at cleaning it up repairing the broken joints etc sanding it back and re-varnishing it.


First Surprise - I was always of the understanding that it was built from a dark timber - remember I grew up in Jarrah country so heavy things built out of dark timber were the norm not the exception. However the sander soon revealed a fine grained white timber underneath. Perhaps it was just 100 odd years of grime build-up.


Second surprise – We have never been aware of any identifying marks on this table, yet on dismantling it I found the numbers 1888 stamped into the thin edge of one of the underneath supports. Could this be the year of manufacture? If so it means it is up to 40 years older than we previously thought and lends weight to the theory that it was manufactured in the UK and transported here when the family migrated.


We always said that the old dining table would have seen allot across four generations of our family and would have many stories to tell and yet it seems it may also have a few secrets.


I have added some photos of the sanded and un-sanded timber pieces and of the “1888”. If anyone on here can make comment on what the 1888 might mean or have some thoughts as to what type of timber it might be I would love to hear from you. All other theories gratefully received


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Comments (15)

  • 6 years ago

    How interesting! I’m sorry I don’t have any answers for you, but just enjoyed reading your story and want to follow along. :)

    Bill Mabey thanked Jilly
  • 6 years ago

    Perhaps showing the whole table would give an idea. Shipping a large dining table back at that time would normally mean that it was able to be taken apart and put back together except in the most wealthiest families so is there any evidence that this happened. Dimensions could also help.

    Those numbers appear to me to be pressed into the wood not burned or gouged so it probably was manufactured either in Australia or elsewhere.

    Bill Mabey thanked User
  • 6 years ago

    Great story! It's so nice to know a piece's history.


    If it was shipped from the UK it would likely have been English oak (blond, weighs a ton, wide grain), or mahogany (weighs less, can be rather brittle, tricky to repair), or, less likely walnut (also heavy, dark, very tight grain, may still smell of walnuts if you dampen a bit).


    A picture of it assembled, or a screen/snap shot of one similar would help.

    Bill Mabey thanked bubblyjock
  • 6 years ago

    2 things....one never EVER "sand down" an antique....you remove signs or age which i what makes it desirable.
    Secondly....a picture of the whole item would help....and leff blurry focused pictures of the grain etc would help.
    Am I seeing Phillips screws on the apron? that would date it as "not before".

    Bill Mabey thanked lindac92
  • 6 years ago

    I'm pretty sure that's a 8881 and not a 1888. Do take more photos!

    Bill Mabey thanked Fori
  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Hi Thanks for all your comments and thoughts. As a number of you pointed out my first photo attempts left a little to be desired so I have re assembled the table and taken some (hopefully beter quality) photos. The bits that i have cleaned up (one leg and the side support beams) are showing clearly.

    The main point(s) of my enquiry was

    Any thoughts on the type of timber?

    Is the 1888 stamped in to the under support beam a build date or something else?

    However any other thoughts or comments will be greatfully recieved.

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  • 6 years ago

    Need a clear close up of the wood where you have sanded it.....
    the number is most assuredly not a date. Furniture wasn't dated with random numbers stamped in.
    The grain looks very like walnut, but the color is lighter.....could it be chesnut? What woods are used for furniture in Australia?

  • 6 years ago

    And here are some photos showing a clear close up of the wood where I have sanded it. Hope this helps.

    Bill




  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Nice solid table! It looks like walnut, I think, and going by the first image in your most recent post, where you can see a wee bit of damage to the bottom edge of the top, the top may be veneer? You can tell by looking at the sides of the top relative to the top, and figuring out whether all the grain matches. If it's veneer that's not a problem, just be more careful sanding or stripping, as it can buckle!

    Bill Mabey thanked bubblyjock
  • 6 years ago

    It doesn't read walnut to me but that doesn't mean it isn't. :)


    Whatever it is, it's a very elegant design and with the family history and its own good looks, I hope it finds a spot it in your home.

    Bill Mabey thanked Fori
  • 6 years ago

    I sort of agree that it is made of English Walnut or light cherry vs other types of walnut. I do not believe it as old as the poster thinks it is given the color of the finish unless it has been refinished before.

    Bill Mabey thanked User
  • 6 years ago

    Thanks to all for your feedback, its been enlightening. I will be sure to post a photo of the finished project when its done. (Unless I make a complete mess of it!) However I now have a deadline as our 3 year old grandson is coming to visit in early December and he will make the 5th generation of our family to sit at this table.

  • 6 years ago

    I agree with lindac about the sanding. Sanding destroys nearly all the antique value (if any) of the piece. I also agree that the numbers are 8881, not 1888. The picture is taken with the numbers upside down (the 8's are upside down).

    Though I'm not an expert, it doesn't appear all that old to me. But it is a neat family heirloom.

    Bill Mabey thanked littlebug zone 5 Missouri
  • 6 years ago

    Cool story. Looking forward to seeing final product

    Bill Mabey thanked Gcubed