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Entry Door Automation - impossible!

6 years ago

Cant believe there is not a solution to automate locks on a modern custom new build.

We have quotes for Doors & Windows for a new house for $150K. Entry doors are all multi-point locks which do not support any smart home automation (keyless entry, remote lock, unlock). I understand that multipoint locks are effective for security and for performance - but the inability to not be able to lock/unlock remotely is crazy.


Are there people who have automated --- or used non-multi-point locks? The doors are big 36" x 108" and 2.25" thick and need to work great in Canada cold winter and humid summers. Tripple glazed. Suppliers so far are Loewen and Marvin - great products but interested in solving this issue - perhaps with a different supplier for the doors?

JM


Comments (23)

  • 6 years ago

    I'm just looking at the exact same problem. We have Marvin, and in order to install an electric strike that will allow us to open it remotely, we would have to render the multipoint inoperative. The bolt in the mortise lock will still work, though manually--we would just have to unlock that, and allow the electric strike to lock/ unlock when we are expecting to open the door remotely.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    We faced the same dilemma, opted to put a traditional fiberglass door from the carport into the house and we have the keypad there. For us this was fine as the carport will be our primary entrance.

  • 6 years ago
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    Not sure what issue you are having but we have deadbolt automation lock on our very wide and large 10’-3”x 98“ front door where each opening half is 48” wide. As with almost all exterior doors, I have remote control over all doors plus a few other dozen items in our home.

  • 6 years ago

    I dunno, Mark, a German Shepherd is more of a "traditional" house security animal... You'd have to go with something more like an Akita. ;-)

  • 6 years ago

    Our doors have multipoint locking systems and to engage the multi point lock you have to turn the lock actuator several times - not just a "flip" of a lever that would be relatively easy to automate.

  • 6 years ago

    In theory easy to automate ... but in practice no. The multi points run the full length of the doors and connect top and bottom ... and not just an automation issue but a power issue as batteries can’t move the parts required for any reasonable amount of time.
    Also not looking to DIY my $8k doors.
    Any other vendors that are good quality but don’t use the multipoint locks ?

  • 6 years ago

    Lots of vendors for Automated single dead bolt arrangements. Multipoint would be a challenge as noted above

  • 6 years ago

    We have multipoint locks and have never engaged them. We close the door and lock it with dead bolt only. In our area the multi point lock was a requirement of our build because of size of door. I don’t find it useful at all but also don’t really care.

    We do have an attached garage with a standard sized door on it and could put an automated lock there but don’t have one. I don’t find it onerous using a key...

  • 6 years ago

    Fuhr is one of the largest manufacturers of multipoint locking systems. They are German but you can order these units from anywhere.

    https://www.fuhr.de/fuhr/en/produkte/prod_tuer.html

    I used a system from Winkhaus (listed on the link below for locks online), another german manufacturer for my doors. I have it hooked up to my HAI home security system but I am not using an automatic remote opener just one with a key fob.


    Yale/Assa Abloy also makes multipoint locks that are electronic. This is a UK website that ships to the US and it lists several manufacturers of multipoint lock systems.

    https://www.locksonline.co.uk/Locks/Digital-Door-Locks/Electric-Locks.html

    Whether your manufacturer will source this items for you is another issue.


    Good luck!

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    ODD - The dog's name should be "Tech". That way when the owner comes home and greets the dog, it will be . . . "Hi Tech".

  • 6 years ago
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    And the other issue is that automated don't look all that great. We don't have triple point (not needed in our climate) but we have a $2500 door. Emtek mortise handleset. Looks great but automation not an option.

    Obviously the answer varies for many but we have an automated garage door and that is what we use. Pet sitters have to enter the house from the back (where the garage is).

    We never enter through the front anyway so it isn't a big deal.

  • 6 years ago

    Multi point isn’t needed in a certain climate per day. Our city requires it for certain sized doors.

  • 6 years ago

    We replaced all our ultra cheap, builder grade 8' doors with multi-point: one fiberglass four-paneled and two aluminum clad with glass. We're in a high-crime area, and I felt they would be harder to kick in.


    Not sure why you would need high-tech locks. But I eschew tech - don't even have a microwave. Nobody's going to hack into our home automation!



  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    True multi point is not entirely climate dependent.

    But generally in a cold area, you want better ACH numbers. That maybe why your city requires it.

    At the beach, our climate or at least our wind codes require it on most doors. The issue is hurricane protection which I think can be lumped into climate.

    The next issue would be crime and kicking in doors. I am curious if people go to this for crime, do you also have bars on the windows? I understand that kicking in doors is a super common entry point but windows always seemed easier to me.

    For some folks here, multipoint is just expected and standard on 8 foot doors. I always suspect that they were north of the Mason Dixon line at least.

    Passive Houses even reach up to 7 point doors.

  • 6 years ago

    Too funny I actually read climate as safe or not. When you meant climate as weather...your way makes more sense! Oops.

  • 6 years ago

    We now live way south of the Mason-Dixon Line, in an upscale neighborhood in a high-crime city. Our neighborhood is walled and gated, with cameras (we paid for) on every entrance hooked up to the police department, as well as other cameras.


    Our townhouse is an end unit with all the lower floor windows very visible from the street. No bars - I wouldn't have agreed to live here if we needed those.


    Our three doors cost the best part of $10k, but I wouldn't have felt comfortable sleeping here with the old doors. They are also extremely well sealed, so keep out bugs and rain.


    We do have a high-tech alarm system linked to a security company. They can monitor all the doors and windows remotely.

  • 5 years ago

    Hi all, has anyone found a solution to this? I’m in a similar situation and am amazed that no one has automated multi-point doors.

  • 5 years ago

    You need to use a concealed vertical rod exit device with electric latch retraction along with the power transfer, power supply and door operator. All typical commercial item that are used everyday.

  • 5 years ago

    Do you have any links to something I can buy? I’d like to run it by my door salesman just to make sure, and have my contractor install it.

  • 5 years ago

    Your not installing this in an existing door without a locksmith. They need to drill holes in the stile of the stile of the door. This hardware alone is $1500 for the exit device alone plus install, plus the power transfer, plus the power supply, plus the operator. If your door has a multi point lock already installed forget your not replacing that with this. This set up needs to be installed and planned from jump street.

  • 5 years ago

    Understand. I’m building a new house so now is the time to do it. Can you share any products with me?

  • 5 years ago

    You need to find out what the door manufacturer will offer as acceptable for this type of system to work in their products but if you Google Concealed Vertical Rod exit device they will appear. Von Duprin is a my go to for the hardware.