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Assistance Please with Transferring Aroid from Water to Soil

Good Day.

I am looking for assistance in transferring my Juvenile Split Leaf Philodendron or Monstera from water to soil. I have read a lot throughout this forum and the internet and I have not been able to make a determination of what process will provide the best possible results or outcome.. in regards to my personal situation. I had received this cutting with 2 nodes and 3 leaves in September 2018.. unsure of how to propagate this particular variety initially, I placed it in a small vase of RO Unit water. It started to push a small root within 3 weeks.. I left it alone since it was approaching winter here and didn't want to shock it any further.. it's rootstock continued to grow and it retained all of its original leaves through until spring.. at which time I should have tried to transfer it to soil.. but so much confusion out there in regards to the process... Last summer I had placed it outside on my North Facing covered porch and it continued to grow and live, even producing 2 aerial roots. During which time, I started switching out the water every month.. all the while I was researching per say. Then time to bring it in for the winter months placing it 2 feet back from my South Facing Patio door, continuing with switching out the water, even putting it into a vase 1" larger due to the enlargement of its rootstock.. It was doing well until October when it shed its lowest oldest leaf, followed by another within a month.. then it remained stagnant with only 1 leaf and all that remained growing was its aerial roots, reaching to my other potted houseplants. In March the 1 remaining leaf started to appear to be dying or showing signs of nutritional deficiency, but then paused, and in turn it pushed the new leaf as you can see, and the plant so far has held on to the bad leaf as well as the new leaf. My apologies for the long winded post.. I truly believe you knowledgeable folks can provide me with the insight and better experience to aid this plant into thriving mode and not simply surviving mode. Please feel free to ask me questions as well if anything is not clearly described or detailed appropriately. These are my questions:

  1. Instead of trying to transfer it at this point can I just completely cut off off the water roots that have formed, allow to callous, then stick it in 5-1-1, and place outside on the covered North Facing Porch because we have great humidity and heat right now.. or will that cause more harm and setback?
  2. Can the water roots even be able to be trimmed so that they are more manageable during the process, if completely cutting them is not an option?
  3. Should I prepare a Sphagnum Moss Pole Setup for its support system when potting into 5-1-1 or other type of mix?
  4. Should I be using 5-1-1; 1-1-1 Gritty; I also have a modified small batch of 1-1-1 to 4-3-2 from my FLFs; Or even some other mix?
  5. What are other methods besides displacing the water with aggregate/mix; a hydroponics setup; dipping roots into a slurry then transplanting to a soil mix?

Thank you kindly for your time and patience as I am sure additional questions and information may arise on my end.

Comments (10)

  • 6 years ago

    I noticed an error I made.. the small batch from Repotting my FLFs is in a modified 1-1-1 Gritty IT IS 3-4-2 NOT 4-3-2.
    I also have included additional photos. Of Special Note: in the 5th and 6th photo the Longest of the 2 aerial roots, it started as an aerial root, then as you can see.. it turned into a water root by branching off, then adventatiously sought the air again and then into the Sansevieria's pot.. then into the blue pot and staying put without extending.. except for the very tip which has small nubs like branches. hmmm

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Hi Janelle,

    I'm sorry you're having problems, but seems to me you're making this way too complicated.

    Also, I don't mean to be so fussy, while it's great you've provided so many details, could you pls go in & Edit that 1st block of text into multiple paragraphs? Otherwise, it's quite difficult to read.

    I grow Aroids like Pothos, Aglaonemas & Spathiphyllium which I root in water & then pot up into soil w/ no problems. I don't use gritty mix, 5-1-1 or 1-1-1.

    I tend to use a mix of my own, made up of approx. 1/3 each Cactus & Succulent mix, Perlite & Reptibark (a smallish bark mix, ready to use out of the bag, from Pet Stores)

    I keep some Pothos water rooting in my bathroom at all times. I trim the roots back periodically when they get too long for the glass w/out any problems.

    Do I read correctly you've had this water rooting since Sept. 2018?

    I'd quit changing the water, as I've read that water rooting plants secrete a rooting hormone into the water.

    So I top mine up, adding more water from time to time, to have just several inches of water at the bottom, not more. I also use aquarium grade charcoal bits added to the water to prevent algae growth.

    ETA: I was going to ask if you were wick watering as I couldn't understand what I was looking at in your pix, that's winding around & w/in your pots.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Mountains and mole hills come to mind, I’m afraid. Or possibly sledgehammers and nuts. Don’t overthink. Just pot it up into whatever mix you like to grow your houseplants in and relax. Cut off the massive long roots. It won’t need anything to climb for a while.

  • 6 years ago

    @KarenS
    Not fussy. I'm sorry, however there is no way for me to edit my posts while using the Houzz app on my phone.

    Thank you for your homemade mix recipe. I have had fantastic success working with the 5-1-1 and 1-1-1 Mix in my household conditions.

    Thank you for advising me that it is okay to trim water roots.

    Yes I have had this water rooting since September 2018.

    I only started Changing the water last year in the summer around June 2019 due to the water looking cloudy.. and before then, as well as, after October 2019 topping it off as it got to about 1-2" the original height of the water column. Thank you for the tip on the aquarium grade charcoal.

    Nope, No wick watering. Those Are the aerial roots.

  • 6 years ago

    @floral
    Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    READER FRIENDLY REPOST WITH EDITS

    Good Day.

    I am looking for assistance in transferring my Juvenile Split Leaf Philodendron or Monstera from water to soil. I have read a lot throughout this forum and the internet and I have not been able to make a determination of what process will provide the best possible results or outcome.. in regards to my personal situation.

    I had received this cutting with 2 nodes and 3 leaves in September 2018.. unsure of how to propagate this particular variety initially, I placed it in a small vase of RO Unit water. It started to push a small root within 3 weeks.. I left it alone since it was approaching winter here and didn't want to shock it any further.. it's rootstock continued to grow and it retained all of its original leaves through until spring.. at which time I should have tried to transfer it to soil.. but so much confusion out there in regards to the process...

    Last summer, June 2019, I had placed it outside on my North Facing covered porch and it continued to grow and live, even producing 2 aerial roots. During which time, I started switching out the water about every month.. all the while I was researching per say.

    Then time to bring it in for the winter months placing it 2 feet back from my South Facing Patio door, continuing with switching out the water, even putting it into a vase 1" larger due to the enlargement of its rootstock.. It was doing well until October 2019 when it shed its lowest oldest leaf, followed by another within a month.. then it remained stagnant with only 1 leaf and all that remained growing was its aerial roots, reaching to my other potted houseplants.

    In March 2020, the 1 remaining leaf started to appear to be dying or showing signs of nutritional deficiency, but then paused, and in turn it pushed the new leaf as you can see, and the plant so far has held on to the bad leaf as well as the new leaf.

    My apologies for the long winded post.. I truly believe you knowledgeable folks can provide me with the insight and better experience to aid this plant into thriving mode and not simply surviving mode. Please feel free to ask me questions as well if anything is not clearly described or detailed appropriately.

    These are my questions:

    1. Instead of trying to transfer it at this point can I just completely cut off off the water roots that have formed, allow to callous, then stick it in 5-1-1, and place outside on the covered North Facing Porch because we have great humidity and heat right now.. or will that cause more harm and setback?

    2. Can the water roots even be able to be trimmed so that they are more manageable during the process, if completely cutting them is not an option?

    3. Should I prepare a Sphagnum Moss Pole Setup for its support system when potting into 5-1-1 or other type of mix?

    4. Should I be using 5-1-1; 1-1-1 Gritty; I also have a modified small batch of 1-1-1 to 3-4-2 from my FLFs; Or even some other mix?

    5. What are other methods besides displacing the water with aggregate/mix; a hydroponics setup; dipping roots into a slurry then transplanting to a soil mix?

    Thank you kindly for your time and patience as I am sure additional questions and information may arise on my end.

  • 6 years ago

    Imho, there is no need to cut off the water roots. Just pot it up. Keep the media a bit more damp than usual initially to help it transition.

  • 6 years ago

    @getgoing100
    Thank you for your suggestions.

  • 6 years ago

    The longer roots need to go, they will not transition well. Most folks here are quick to say that water rooted roots have different cellular structure than soil rooted mix & they don't transition well.

    So those crazy long roots need to go. Sorry to disagree w/ Getgoing, but they do. You can cut ALL those roots back to just 3-4 inches long.

    Thanks much for editing that 1st paragraph, much easier on the eyes.

    But as Floral said above, pls don't overthink this.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Sorry, but I've re-read this w/ the addt'l spacing & forgive me for saying so, but it seems you've really confused yourself.

    Don't know why you think these plants need to callous after cutting the roots, they're tropicals, not succulents.

    Pls, forget #5 completely, too confusing already. One can't learn everything all at once. Once you're better at this part, then you can explore addt'l options.

    Sorry to have to say it, but there's a lot of bad info on the 'Net, especially on YouTube.

    Tho' Google has made it harder to find such sources, when searching try looking for extensions like .edu (denotes an educational institution), or mention of the words botany or horticulture, which tend to have more botanically accurate info.

    I think part of the problem is you have it in so much water, I use enough water to just allow the bottom couple inches of stem to be in the water, while being sure at least ONE NODE IS IN THE WATER.

    These all transitioned to soil just fine.

    I was going to suggest to you that fussed over plants tend not to do well. We sometimes joke here abt things being over nurtured, or loved to death.

    But then I see that nice variegated Sans Hahnii in your pic, which I've killed several times, as have many of us at the Sans Forum nearby. Unless that's a brand new plant, maybe I can learn from YOU, how you've been caring for that plant.

    Sucker than I am, I just bought another one today, as I am so smitten w/ this plant.