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Need help! I'm craving for a large rose bush.

5 years ago

In my Seattle garden, I have a spot on the west-facing slope and hope can grow a self-supported large rose bush about 10'x8'. It gets only 4-6 hr sun, so I'm considering some hybrid musk and Noisette like Cornelia, Reve d'Or or Bishop Darlington. Are they good choices or you experts have better suggestions? What are your recommendations? Due to my health conditions and our wet winter and spring, I do hope it is vigorous and disease resistant.


I love white Albas, but on that site I'd prefer a non-white rose because there are already mature mock oranges and a white cherry tree on its north side. (BTW, they look and smell wonderful in spring) Beside this, any flower color, size, or even no fragrance is fine. After all, It's a tough place for roses.


Alas, I can only hope I'm not too greedy about this.

Comments (20)

  • 5 years ago

    You do you want rebloom? The chestnut Rose is fantastic if that is not a requirement. If it is a requirement I would suggest gold blush or Skyrocket or Applejack. These are large roses in very difficult spots and do well in terms of black spot and rebloom. Gold blush is not as good with black spot but is a blooming machine. However, it's blooms range from Pink 2 Almost White so I'm not sure if that would suit. I will try and find one of Cynthia's posts with pictures of Skyrocket.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 5 years ago

    If you don't need rebloom you could try Harison's Yellow. Extremely vigorous and I haven't seen disease on it ever in multiple gardens in multiple states. Even though it only blooms once it's a good long flush that can last months.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked joeywyomingzone4
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you very much, Vapor!


    I hope it's reblooming. In summer and fall, the only color I can see on the slop is almost green. Yes I have some annuals and perennials, but they are all low and small. (Mostly are beautiful volunteers from neighbors' garden. LOL). And to be honest, I'm not able to make much efforts working on the slope. That's why I want something colorful and majestic so badly.


    The photos of Skyrocket and Applejack on HMF look all gorgeous. They're now on my potential list.

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you, Joey.


    Really? "Last months flush" means reblooming to me. It sounds a great alternate option.

  • 5 years ago

    The Canadian roses are fool proof. I have Wm. Baffin on trellises on the end of my house, but they can be free standing roses that fountain over and scramble through surrounding shrubs and trees. They're a rosy red, or deep pink, very similar to John Cabot, which is another option. One of mine is about 10 x 10' at 15 yrs old. I keep the other one cut back because it will overtake a walkway and grow right into the garage if I don't. Today, Oct. 7, they are both blooming, but the spring flush is spectacular.

    Peggy Martin will cover an area faster than any other rose I've grown. I've never seen a rose grow so fast. She may want to get wider than tall, but will climb the other shrubs and trees around her.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    I would think about old tea roses - they are self supporting, repeat very well, and in my no spray garden most do get 8 x 10 ft. I have several which only get 4-5 hours of sun per day, and do very well: Le Vesuve (2 shades of pink), Anna Olivier (buff, yellow, and/or pink, depending on the weather), Lady Roberts (color sport of Anna Olivier - darker colors - all the way to gold) Lamarque (except that it is white), & Duchesse de Brabant (pink), Rosette de Lizy (pic below - stable color of dark pink & white/buff).


    Jackie




    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 5 years ago

    My experience will be different from yours, as my particular patch of ground in Seattle is very very sunny, but Graham Thomas became enormous in my yard -- so if you want a very big yellow rose he is a good option. Eden does well for me in full sun, but I suspect in less than full sun it wouldn't be as good. Roses do really really well here. Reve d'Or is a good choice, I think -- although I'm not sure about how it will act with less than full sun. You can see one growing at the Antique Rose Farm in Snohomish -- If I recall correctly they have it growing against one of the sides of the house, so it might get shade for part of the day. You'd have to ask. Hybrid musks are great -- again you can see Cornelia at the Antique Rose Farm -- it grows there as a really wide hedge (it doesn't stand up tall, if that's what you want -- you would have to support it). Think about Lady Hillingdon as well. That is a lovely rose that has nice foliage and might look better/less bleached out with slightly less than all-day sun.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago
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    "Darlow's Enigma" matches your first paragraph depiction. So if you can let go of the prohibition against white flowers presented in the second paragraph that is the one to look for (unless you also want large flowers). For one thing it is so easy to grow here (Seattle area) I have seen it on local properties that have no other roses at all, functioning as a regular landscape shrub (such as a mock orange). Where it stands out for being in bloom during summer and fall.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked Embothrium
  • 5 years ago

    I know you said preferably no white, but I will add that Darlow's Enigma covers itself with tiny bright red hips this time of year. Very pretty on the plant or in a vase. It doesn't require deadheading or pruning, but I cut mine back from time to time. It will do well either way. I LOVE roses that don't have to be pruned in order to bloom.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    You mentioned 'Bishop Darlington'. I grow it in coastal Southern California and honestly, I did not realize how big it would get until it did it.

    We tried keeping it small, but the good Bishop won that battle. It's easily 10 ft tall, and probably 12-ft. wide.


    In these images, you see it from the bottom, and from the top.


    Our neighbor across the street remarked on how much she enjoyed it, but she was shocked when she looked over the fence, and realized how far down from street level it began.


    The blooms are beautiful, and the repeat is very quick. It has excellent disease resistance in my climate.







    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked jerijen
  • 5 years ago

    Funny how I just noticed this rose on Freedom Gardens site last night as being hardy in my zone and it's IN STOCK!!!. What a gorgeous rose!

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 5 years ago

    Bishop Darlington, Vapor? I don't see it. I agree it is a beauty.

  • 5 years ago
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    I'm a dunderhead! I should have specified it wa Lady Hillingdon that KS mentioned. Do you grow it, Sheila?

  • 5 years ago

    Wow. In this 58F cool night, it's so warm to see so many wonderful suggestions from you fellows.


    Flowersaremusic: William Baffin, John Cabot, and Peggy Martin all look nice. I would expect their spring flush. Do you know if they bloom in shady area especially in fall? HMF shows WB is shade tolerant but susceptible to BS. Unfortunately I live in BS and PM hell here. A bit worry about it.


    Jacqueline: Rosette Delizy looks so delicious and attract me very much. I thought that teas love dry and warm and lots of sunshine and was not sure if they develop well in Seattle. I definitely will do more study about them.


    KS: Thanks for your sharing. My neighbor has a big Graham Thomas, but it was covered by BS and lost all of his leaves. I think he hates my climate. I have a 2-year-old Lady Hillingdon planted in a part sun spot. Flowers are elegant and long lasting, but she is only 2.5 feet tall. I hope she can take off next year.


    Embothrium & Flowersaremusic: Darlow's Enigma was one of my option, but it's too thorny so I just planted mine in the back of the border where the slop begins, close to two 6 feet tall cotoneaster. I've heard many good things about it and believe it will do well for me.


    Jeri, your pictures of good Bishop are amazing. I'd be satisfied if mine is half as good as yours.

  • 5 years ago
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    Feiy, my Wm. Baffin bushes are in almost total shade, shaded by the house and by an enormous oak and other trees. They are blooming right now, sparsely. Big spring flush. If they had more sunlight, I think they would bloom all season.

    John Cabot and Peggy Martin are both in sunlight, so I don't know if they bloom in shade.

    Here is John Cabot a few years ago.


    I need newer JCabot photos. I've posted these too many times. I just cut him back yesterday and he's quite small right now.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    These are all great suggestions! @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR lovely LH! Is yours free standing or on a trellis/arch?

  • 5 years ago

    Mine is freestanding, MetteBee. It is an airier plant than Monsieur Tillier for example. MT is probably a better specimen plant here.

    MT is more heavily foliaged.

  • 5 years ago

    Sheila, how tall is your LH? I'd like to know what to expect since I'm in z8 too.

  • 5 years ago

    Maybe 4 ft Feiy Lo. Mine is the bush form.

    Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a) thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR