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Fall cleanup report

As usual I have an infinity of work, but with the happiness of the whole fall and winter ahead of me to accomplish it. We've been planting. I want to clear the propagation beds out at least somewhat, so I can start some new plants, and I need great numbers of shrubs in particular for the Allée, to use the overly ambitious name we give the tractor road that runs from the house down to the paved road that climbs up to our little settlement. I need to order roses and shrubs, too, but so far have found my will to do so paralyzed, I don't know why. We also need to buy lots of standard ordinary shrubs--privet, photinia, shrub honeysuckle, possibly others--from the local nurseries, but only after All Souls ("Tutti i Morti"), November 2nd, the day Italians place on the graves of their loved ones vases and pots of chrysanthemums and other fall flowers which the nurseryfolk are busily preparing now. After that's over, they'll begin stocking for autumn planting.

I was out yesterday on the lower part of the Allée (or Viale), working in an area that hasn't had any attention for a couple of years. This area is bounded north-uphill by our neighbors' field; there's a strip of land, then the Allée itself. In this strip there is first a long hedge of bland shrubs marking the property line, then below that, roses, mostly ramblers, alternating with Italian cypresses. Below that again, now abutting on the Allée itself, I have another line of plants in mind, but that's for later. We have a supply/labor problem this fall. Our usual supplier of old hay has a big, profitable job cutting firewood and can't bring the hay until he's finished that; we can't hire our usual help to dig if we don't have hay for amendment. So, for now, we're stuck, but fortunately there's time. I also want to order two or three yards of sand this year, part of my ongoing struggle to get Tea roses to grow in our soil.

So, the hedge and the line of cypresses and roses are both incomplete, and that's part of what we're planting this fall: I want to finish them. Yesterday I was tidying up the roses. 'Futtacker Schlingrose' makes a nice, freestanding large shrub on which I found a fair amount of dead and old growth that had to be cut out. Next to it, too close, is some kind of Ayrshire or Sempervirens rambler, I think. I was given cuttings of a bunch of these years ago, Ayrshires and Sempervirens, and got them hideously confused, adding to what I think was some original confusion in their identities. I never have sorted them out since, but they grow here and there in the garden. They're lax, thorny, rambling, vigorous plants, with handsome foliage, much given to tip-rooting and so forming great thickets. I had meant to move this one, but I think it's too late. I cut out old growth and shortened some canes, and cut some of the tip-rooted shoots to the ground. They're handsome roses indeed, but a job to control. 'Ayrshire Splendens' is an example of that group that can be found in commerce; 'Félicité Perpétue' and 'Adelaide d'Orléans' are Sempervirens ramblers. They're a tangle in my mind.

The next rose up is likely 'American Pillar': that was the guess of the woman who gave me the cuttings of it. "AP" suffers from cane girdler damage, but soldiers on all the same. It, too, has tip-rooted. The Wichuriana ramblers are some of the best for our conditions, while Multifloras are in general more susceptible to cane girdler and sunburn. Whether they simply suffer more both, or are rendered more susceptible by growing in heavy clay that doesn't suit them, I can't say. Possibly "AP"s Setigera heritage makes it more susceptible, too, to cane girdler and sunburn than most Wichurianas. It has terrible soil to contend with. These roses are rooting into the area where the hedge is supposed to go; I mean to leave the roses and plant the hedging shrubs where I can make a hole (if some is good, then more is better....sometimes), then just let everything grow together. Roses are valiant plants.

Above "American Pillar" is an Italian cypress, and above that again is another Wichuriana rambler, of the 'Dorothy Perkins' tribe. I forget where this came from, and even what color the blooms are. These are roses I some years never even see in bloom. They flower late, when it has gotten really hot; the Allée down from the house is very steep, not much treed, and looks straight into the sun. Next year mere curiosity to see the results of my work may pull me out for a look; also, we're planting trees on parts of the Allée, though they'll take some years to get big enough that they supply shade. We've planted a lot of figs the last few years: its easy to dig suckers from the many local plants, and they're heavily foliaged, supply fruit, and grow fast.

We need to add several Italian cypresses, which serve to define the Allée. They're handsome trees, at once rustic and aristocratic, quickly supplying the height our garden, which started out as starved fields, so badly needs, and they're among the best trees in our poor soil. Marvelous. I make no attempt to keep the grass and weeds cut in these beds most of the time, though I'm tidying them now so I can see the condition of the roses. Most are fairly innocuous. There's one kind that forms substantial clumps. Anything, just about, that can grow in these conditions is welcome to come and increase the life and quantity of organic matter in the soil. The clumping grass is even rather handsome, keeps the sun off the bases of the roses, and if it makes the beds look like an overgrown meadow rather than a garden, well, that's fine. I like the meadow look, and it's what I'm aiming at here. I'm hoping that all this cleanup and planting will show positive results in a year or two.

Comments (6)

  • 5 years ago

    I love this, Melissa. I think your garden may be one closest to my heart here, except for Ingrid's. I too have the meadow and wild garden look going here. I love Italian Cypress and I planted one Italian stone pine too which is maybe 12 ft tall now and at the chubby stage, not looking like an umbrella pine yet.

    I had to move three improperly placed roses this week. They were DA roses in poor hot sandy soil, cooking heat, and no amount of emitter water was going to do it. I also realize I am going to have to hack back some volunteers around some roses that are giving the roses too much competition. We had 20 days of 100 F and above and many days of 90s F.

    Some roses have a cooked, overheated look, in spite of irrigation. Rick in Canada remarked if I had never seen a well grown Evelyn for example I wouldn't know how badly off mine was. This is all true. It is something akin to your struggle with Tea roses in the gray clay. Thankfully, I have a variety of soils on the property. I am finding emitters that don't clog, finally (netafim). Some trees have exploded into growth since I started watering, to the roses detriment.

    After 6 years here, I'm finding plants are sorting themselves out, with some thriving and others fading so eventually I will get to some natural level.

    I realize you do not irrigate. Here, we only got 16 inches of natural rain per year this last rain year (18.35 is normal). If I did not irrigate, I'm afraid the roses would not make it. I really wish you luck on your growing Teas. I'm so happy lilacs and gallica roses do well here too. I'm pulling for you.

    Melissa Northern Italy zone 8 thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 5 years ago

    I love your updates, Melissa. I've been worrying about things I read in the news lately, so your reports of long, slow work that is well done is a good antidote to that. Thank you.

    Melissa Northern Italy zone 8 thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago

    Melissa - I, too, love your garden updates. Your efforts really sound like they are paying off. Making a garden is a really long, slow process that, for me, will never be finished. I enjoy fiddling with things and I think only old age will force me to leave things well enough alone. It is wonderful that you can see the changes with the passing years. Makes the hard work worthwhile.

    Melissa Northern Italy zone 8 thanked BirdsLoveRosesSoCalCoast
  • 5 years ago

    Any work is time well spent. I was noticing that some tall salvias were shading the smaller shrub roses during the end of summer when we had hot days above 107 F. I never thought I'd see that kind of heat here where we get marine layer influence. The salvias seemed to be shading the roses too much but then I let them be because of the flowers being there for hungry hummingbirds. Now I see the wisdom in letting the plants grow up in summer and shade the roses. They did not have the foliage sun burn that many of my other roses got. Other roses that were happy had shade cloth protection or are getting half day shade from trees. When you have heat, you need trees.


    I love my Italian Cypress too. I have a line of them and one big stand alone tree. They were planted in 1963 when my house was built. I love that large one. It's my sundial. I also have a few fig trees. They manage fine with the heat. Lost another beautiful apple tree to fireblight this summer. That was my fifth tree. I don't have the heart to try again right now.


    We have clay too and I am always adding sand. I never tried hay for ammending. I collect free oak leaves and whatever leaves I can get and I top it with a pretty local mulch that make it look nice for the neighbors. In the back I don't try to make the beds as pretty. As long as its organic and feeds the plants the roses don't care what it looks like. We have a brick pile that we use to keep weeds down in areas. When the weeds are under control we move the bricks to a new spot. You're in the country so weeds are blowing in on the wind. My major weed source is the next door mow and blow team who blows lawn weeds my way except when I'm standing there or working there then they don't. I put the mulch extra thick right next to the boundary and it really helps. I also don't have much planted so I can spray.


    Clean up! yes there is so much to be done. We had strong winds this year that made a huge mess. Not the normal hot wind though, this one was cooler. Two fires started and so there was ash and smoke with it but the plants didn't get as dried out because it wasn't so hot. I have dead stuff in my roses too. Mostly because of the heat waves. I'm being lazy and haven't gotten to clipping it out. I have a big chrysanthemum show going right now and the wind got some of it but enough is left to enjoy. Mostly I'm raking and sweeping and collecting leaves for mulching later. We had drive through voting and vote in your car here at the local hockey arena. Cars in the parking lot clustered near pop up tents that handed out ballots and collected them again. There was the usual voting set up inside the arena itself but we wanted to see the vote in your car option. They also collected vote by mail ballots if you wanted to drive through the two large inflatable hockey players to the guys collecting ballots. They gave us the usual I voted stickers and also a voting sticker with the NHL team colors and logo.


    I like reading about your garden and what is going on. Our forecast is for a cool, dry winter. The camellias are already opening flowers earlier than most years. Nurseries had a good year because people stayed home and gardened due to corona virus. We drove around looking at peoples gardens around Halloween because there were more decorations this year even though our govenor cancelled going house to house and large parties and gatherings. All the markets are full of chrysanthemums. No fall leaves here yet but up in the local mountains I saw brilliant color two weeks ago. Reading about your garden beats watching election results on TV!



  • 5 years ago

    Kitty, thanks for your garden report! I agree with your opening comment; also agree about the importance of shade, though it's nowhere near as hot here as where you are. It may one day reach the point here that we have too much shade for the roses, but it sure isn't happening yet. I'm still waiting for some kind of fundamental transformation to the garden coming from mature trees and shrubs. They're growing, and, as my sister said once years ago, the character of the garden changes (for the better) once the shrubs are taller than the gardener. Most of our trees are still young, though, and not yet supplying the significant shade, moisture, and leaf drop of more mature specimens.

    We use old hay because it's local, a by-product that no one uses or wants, and affordable. I do look forward to being able to do without it one day, that happy day when the garden will generate all the organic matter it needs, but we haven't yet reached that point.

    I would envy you your mature Italian cypresses except that ours grow well, and, although mature specimens are magnificent, an Italian cypress doesn't have to be that grown up to make a point. They're surprisingly adaptable trees. There's one growing across the way from my younger sister's place in her north Florida coastal town, on ground nine feet above sea level and rooted in a mixture, probably, of sand and swamp gunk (who knows: there may be some underlying limestone, or even clay, or both), and doing just fine. It's been there for years and looks perfectly happy. There's another specimen in my home town several miles inland, growing in sand and also happy. Go figure.

    Voting: hurray! I'm glad so many people have performed their civic duty and voted. We sent in our ballots by mail some weeks ago.