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Help!! Please prevent a disaster!

5 years ago

Hello,

If you'd like some backstory read this below.....
If not, skip farther down. A few months ago we started designing the kitchen of our dreams. At the time we didn’t know much about what we liked other than when we saw a kitchen that we did like we thought, "oh that's pretty!" We quickly realized that we don't want white cabinets, painted cabinets or a farmhouse-style kitchen. We are not saying we don't like those styles, they are beautiful in most instances, however, we have decided we don’t want them for the space we are creating

We love contemporary design (not cold contemporary), clean lines, mid-century modern. Also, we love hints of Scandinavian re: warmth and simplicity.

Basically, we love nature and we love natural wood.
We feel these design styles are well suited to our home since it is a ranch, that was previously adorned with wall-to-wall carpeting and ugly 1980s paneling. Keep in mind we have a red brick fireplace located in the family room/living room that was painted by the previous owners. It is currently gray (we will be changing its color and are open to suggestions) -and it is visible from the kitchen, directly across from the island. Whatever color we pick for the fireplace must coordinate well with the kitchen.

With that in mind, we know that we are trying to achieve a very specific look that we know some will love or hate. We've looked at quite a few types of woods; Alder (too prone to dents) Maple (realized it had too much red) THEN we fell in love with White Oak.

We feel like we're soooo close! We just need to narrow in and make a decision.


TO THE POINT.

Here is what we’ve chosen so far: Inset, slab, white oak cabinets -


Where we are stuck! Do we go Rift Cut or Quarter Sawn White Oak?


We have been staring at our samples for a few days now and it feels like we are getting nowhere.

The door is Quarter Sawn with a stain that has a glaze (the glaze is not available with the slab door style). The trim sample is Rift Cut in the stain w/o a glaze.


Here are the samples under two different lighting conditions.






These are TWO samples, not four! And we are choosing the cut/grain not stain!


We are aware there are so many things that change the look or appearance of natural wood: lighting, stain, and the fact that wood is not man made. There WILL be natural inconsistencies we’re aware and NOT afraid of that.

  1. Here are some inspiration pictures for Rift Cut




We played around with the idea of going with a light/blonde white oak stain but realized that it may be the impossible feat and the cabinet company says they won't do natural stain with a slab cabinet door.


2. Here are some inspiration pictures for Quarter Sawn





We are aware that some of these kitchens have fantastic grain matching and we know that our cabinet makers may not take the time to do that to this degree.


We don't want to drift too close to those ugly honey colored cabinets of the 80s/90s.
Our understanding is that rift is more modern looking because of its vertical lines and grain pattern but what do you think?


Also, we have settled with a darker stain on the cabinets because we'd like to go lighter with our red oak floors.

This is our first post here and a long one so if you made it here, thank you so much for taking the time to read and share your thoughts! We are so grateful.


Comments (31)

  • 5 years ago

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  • 5 years ago

    Rift gets my vote also.

    humming_bird333 thanked lucky998877
  • 5 years ago

    I am partial to quarter sawn myself (I am fond of the grain) but I also have a fairly traditional decor. I think you’re right about rift cut being more modern and probably a better choice for your mid century modern style. But either one will be stunning!

    humming_bird333 thanked Mom
  • 5 years ago

    I vote rift!


    Are they using plywood panels? You can ask for book matched veneer.

    humming_bird333 thanked Cherie
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    5 years ago

    Rift cut to be more in control of the grain pattern you get with slab doors.






    humming_bird333 thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • 5 years ago

    I would find out what type of door construction you will be getting. Veneered plywood with solid edging? Solid wood glued up boards? Construction will change the appearance.

    humming_bird333 thanked ulisdone
  • 5 years ago

    Rift.

    humming_bird333 thanked Rachel Lee
  • 5 years ago

    The lighter, softer slab doors look like they will fit your style the best. I like @JuneKnow’s the most. Maybe this cabinet company isn’t the right fit. Your story keeps saying what they WON’T do for you. Do you have a sample of the floor you want?

    humming_bird333 thanked RedRyder
  • 5 years ago
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    I'm no wood expert but we have Quartersawn Oak cabinets, and your Quartersawn inspo photos look like plain sawn oak to me. Anyway,

    I agree riftsawn is considered more "modern" but I think the stain you're showing is waay too red for the modern slab look. In fact, the second trim photo looks very much like the mid- 80s honey oak look, at least in that lighting, and looks rather dull brown in the first. In your inspo pics, which of the many stain tones are you trying to achieve? I'm with Red in wondering about your cabinet company.

    There was a thread on here in which a poster detailed their efforts to get a neutral stain for their white oak slab cabinets. I have to run, but a Houzz search for "advice" or " discussions" should turn it up.

    humming_bird333 thanked barncatz
  • 5 years ago

    Those rift sawn cabinets are beautiful! When we choose our particular cabinets it wasn’t an option so we went with quartersawn white oak. They do look different and better than the examples you posted though as those look like plain sawn in the panel portions. Anyway here’s a pic of what ours look like and we love them!

    humming_bird333 thanked mojavemaria
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Have you considered a door style like this? There are several cabinet manufacture's that carry this door which may give you more options for stain and type of wood vs your cabinet maker. Post photos of you flooring.


    Kountry Kraft Custom Cabinet Door Style Options · More Info





  • 5 years ago

    @User That looks beautiful! Thanks for ther visual and your vote.

  • 5 years ago

    @Mom We agree. Appreciate your thoughts!

  • 5 years ago

    @Cherie Thanks for the advice. They say "3/4" thick substrate" will be used.

  • 5 years ago

    @ulisdone The slab door will be constructed 3/4" thick substrate, wood veneer, and matching edge-banding. Thoughts?

  • 5 years ago

    @RedRyder We had originally been thinking lighter but the stain that is closest to "natural" White Oak they say they won't do on a slab door. If we had gone with a lighter stain we were going to go grey with the floors. With this sample, we were thinking these floors...

    1940's Modern - College Hill Renovation · More Info


    Minimal Luxury · More Info

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  • 5 years ago

    @barncatz We had a feeling that it might be Plain Sawn as well. It's interesting that you are seeing red in the stain hmm.... we'll have to think about that. This inspo picture is most accurate to what we are trying to achieve. Cabinets and flooring...
    Thanks for your thoughts!


  • 5 years ago

    @mojavemaria Beautiful cabinets! Thank you so much for sharing. Do you by any chance have flat trim/molding? We can't quite tell from the picture you posted. Could you share a picture that better shows the molding? We'd appreciate it. It was in the back of our minds that our inspo pics may have been Plain Sawn and you and another commenter may have confirmed our suspicions.

  • 5 years ago

    The second photo of light flooring will go,well with what you’re aiming for. It looks very easy to live with.

    humming_bird333 thanked RedRyder
  • 5 years ago

    @tedbixby1981 Yes, we have considered this door style! But, we have not been able to find anyone that produces this door with the skinny stiles/rails near us. Often called "Skinny/Thin Shaker" I believe. There are some retailers online, however, they are only willing to sell to dealers or cabinet makers.
    We have red oak flooring and we were thinking of something like this....

    Minimal Luxury · More Info


  • 5 years ago

    I 100% vote Rift. It's much cleaner and more contemporary in my opinion. :)


    humming_bird333 thanked mscsangel
  • 5 years ago

    Here’s a pic that shows the casing. We tried to get cabinets that weren’t too traditional but not to modern either and so when we got these RTA Cabinets with crown molding the 45 degree tip didn’t look good to me. I actually did the trim myself so don’t look too close!


    Installed backer pieces attached to inside top edge of cabinets and then put in some leftover skin we had on top with the crown stood up underneath that instead of installing it at usual angle. I’m sure a real finish carpenter would not be impressed but we like the look and already had the parts to do it.

    humming_bird333 thanked mojavemaria
  • 5 years ago

    I think you need them to specify if the interior is plywood, particle board or MDF.

  • 5 years ago

    "There are some retailers online, however, they are only willing to sell to dealers or cabinet makers." Are you trying to purchase direct rather than going through a dealer that sells cabinet lines?

  • 5 years ago

    @mojavemaria You were definitely successful. They look great, I can't tell that they weren't professionally installed. Thank you so much for sharing pictures of the molding. We are thinking of going with a very similar flat trim so seeing yours is especially helpful in deciding. Any decision made is a step forward so we really appreciate it!

  • 5 years ago

    I like the rift cut, it looks more Scandinavian design to me.

    The quarter sawn seems more rustic.

    I also prefer the flat panel.

    I don't care for the shaker door, or even the raised edges.

    Those raised edges just look like something I'd bang my knees on.

    (I know, I'm just getting more crotchety by the day!)

    humming_bird333 thanked loobab
  • 5 years ago

    Oh my. Are you saying kitchen cabinets are not made of solid wood any more?

    Or is it that only the top of the line companies make kitchen cabinets out of solid wood?

  • 5 years ago

    Yes, @User
    My understanding is that the substrate is MDF. I am aware that that, is how purchasing cabinets work. I was just expressing to @tedbixby1981 that when I had looked online to search for the particular door style they were referring to, I was taken to websites that were wholesalers not individual dealers/cabinet makers and I have yet to find someone who supplies that door style locally. Appreciate your input about construction, always something to learn!

  • 5 years ago

    If you are looking for a more modern style I would go with the rift cut. It looks cleaner and has fewer if any swirls - which you will get with oak. Also I believe the grains in the rift cut tend to be closer together giving it a cool vibe. Good luck with your new kitchen.

    humming_bird333 thanked HU-947555230
  • 5 years ago

    That door style is available through an Omega dealer. Do you have one in your area?

  • 5 years ago

    I saw this kitchen reno recently and I'm in love. Those handles!!

    http://www.hellorefuge.com/kitchen-reno-reveal/


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