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Load bearing wall - Can a beam post rest on a beam below?

5 years ago

We plan to get a structural engineer in here but before then we want to come up with some options. I'm curious about the general practice of placing posts under a beam and how the load transfers underneath. Generally speaking, can you place a post directly on top of a beam for the floor below? It would be over the open span and not on top of a post. This is assuming necessary foundation, such as proper footings.


In our situation, there's an LVL beam in the basement living room that spans more than 14 ft. Directly above is the main floor living room and there is a span about 10 ft that opens to the dining that is original to the design. This is above the basement beam. The ceiling joists in that area are full span. Continuing from there is the load bearing wall that separates the kitchen. It continues about 15 ft. Those ceiling joists (and the rest of the house) are spliced. So if we place a post at the end of the wall it would be about 4 ft beyond the wall below and on to the beam. I'm wondering if this is acceptable practice or if the post really does need to be placed directly over a vertical support. The footing spans the length of the house under all of the load bearing walls. The reason for placing the post in the spot above is if we terminate the beam there instead of running it wall-to-wall. It will be exposed glulam. The entire span is about 25 ft but with any option we wouldn't span more than 15 ft without a support post of some kind.

Comments (11)

  • 5 years ago

    Option #2 is if we could incorporate closely spaced vertical slats (2x4) that would span about 5 ft from the end of the beam. It acts as sort of a divider AND load bearing support. There would be anywhere from 15 to 20 of these boards. This would place some of the support over the wall below. There would be at least 4 to 5 2x4's in this area. The rest would be over the beam below. Again, there is a basement footing that spans all of this distance.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    A site inspection by your engineer is the only way to determine any of this.

  • 5 years ago

    In general, you can have a beam that is supporting a point load above it.

    For a wood-framed house, you are always considering size of beams and their clear height, soffits, bringing in/maneuvering for installation, cost, coordination with MEP, and simplicity to build with sometimes unsophisticated framers. It is always best to design the spaces with structure in mind.

  • 5 years ago

    [does] the post really ... need to be placed directly over a vertical support


    Not at all.


    But a structural professional engineer's stamped plans are the way to be sure.


    FWIW, our upcoming 5,700 sf build was required to have more than 40 P.Eng. stamped pages of plans to pass municipal review.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for the input! That's really what I was looking for, the general idea it's common for a beam to support a point load above. That helps us formulate options before the engineer takes a look. Thanks!

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    If the span and size of the beam between the two bearing points in the basement can carry the load from above you can put the post on the beam or you can pack out the joist cavity above the beam below and rest the column on the floor.

    Something like this



    If the columns below spread too far apart and the beam between the bearing points is undersized and cannot carry the load, in most cases, you have to add a footing and a column below to break up the span.




    In any case, you should get an architect or a structural engineer and see what needs to be done.

    Good luck

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Point loads from above in the mid span of beams below are a big deal. Drawings will always be needed for engineering analysis as they visually demonstrate spans, floor loads and roof loads, footing locations much better than paragraphs.

  • 5 years ago

    GN Builders,


    Thanks for that detailed response! Another option is to incorporate a vertical slat wall that acts as a room divider and also support for the beam. In this case several of the 2x4 equivalent slats would be over the basement load bearing wall, which has a footing underneath it. Is there anything that states a post needs to be a certain thickness or do cumulative supports suffice? The total amount of vertical slat 2x4's would certainly add up to more than is required for a single post.

  • 5 years ago

    You would probably grow tiresome of how the slats look, and a future owner would certainly remove them. Then what? As I said earlier, when you have limiting structural considerations, design your spaces with those in mind. If you are so stuck on a particular design that you have to have a huge beam, expensive girder, or non-typical methods of support to accomplish it, then maybe move to a different house where those design considerations are better suited to the existing house and your budget/value of the house is tuned in to that.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Is this problem still relevant to you? It's hard to answer, but I'm in a similar position. I can't find any specialist who would take up work in my house. I don't understand what this is connected with, because I offer quite good money for the work. Perhaps the fact is that, in my case, you will need special equipment that could hold heavy weights to the roof. But I've already found the guys from the service https://teamliftingsolutions.co.uk/beam-load-testing-kent-essex-london/ for them to be engaged in lifting mechanisms. Now I am looking for an engineer who would help me organize and calculate all this work