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Suggestion for smaller, colorful shade shrub

I'm in zone 7A, in the foothills of western NC.


I'm wanting to improve a smallish area in my back yard, on the North side of my house. The house keeps it shaded, but it at least gets some reflected light because my Purple Heart does well there. It also has mondo grass, hostas, coral bells, and poorly-placed Autumn Joy sedum:




You can see that the sedum gets large, but falls apart. Which I'm sure is because it doesn't get enough sun:




I'd like to replace the sedum with some sort of shrub, so I'm hoping you all can make some recommendations :-)


My dream list is:


1. Not too big, maybe 3' x 3'


2. Evergreen


3. Preferably colorful so that I don't have a big green section where everything blends together; I love the colors of my sunshine ligustrum and fringe flower shrubs, but they're full sun


4. Hummingbird and butterfly attractant is great, but it's close to the back door so I'd prefer it to not attract bees


It also needs to be:


1. Ant, mole, and vole resistant (the area is enclosed so there's no risk of deer, and only a little risk of rabbits)


2. Good with moist soil (there's no sprinkler here, but the gutters from the roof direct here and it's enclosed with the foundation on one side and a paved sidewalk on 2 other sides)


3. You can see in that first pic that the dryer vents to this area, so it will go through periods of high humidity


I'm kind of leaning towards a barberry, which I think would be OK in this level of shade. It's taller than I'd like, though, it loses leaves in the winter, and I'm reading that they might attract ticks? So maybe not.

Comments (24)

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I would look at the colorful dwarf abelias. They tick everything on your box, except are semi-evergreen in most winters, depending on your temps.

    I’ve had them for years in every light condition possible, as well as super dry to moist sites and everything in between. They can take extreme temps, too — all mine came back after the historic Texas winter we had this year.

    Best thing: they’re pollinators. I never don’t see bees, butterflies, etc on mine. Even a Hummingbird Moth on my ’Twist of Lime’ (bottom left), which is one of mine in mostly shade.



    Abelias are the perfect shrub, I love them.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Barberries are full sun plants.....I'd skip that possibility :-) Pieris japonica 'Little Heath' could fit the bill. I'd also consider Euonymus fortunei 'Emerald Gaiety' or 'Emerald and Gold' or Euonymus microphyllus 'Butterscotch'. They will get taller than you want but are highly prunable and very shade tolerant.

    ETA: Abelias are not very tolerant of much shade in my area! They rarely flower in less than 6 hours of sun and never develop the leaf coloring they are most often planted for. They are definitely great shrubs and I have several but I would not recommend them for shade.

  • 4 years ago

    I have 2 Golden Euonymus that I regret buying last year and can't find a permanent place to put them, but they've stayed green since I bought them. I COULD put them here, but I was hoping for something more colorful... I'm also not a fan of their texture, which is another reason they're still in pots! LOL


    Abelias stay green except for when they bloom, don't they? I don't have any abelia so I had to look them up. The yellowish Twist of Mango wouldn't be bad!

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    No, there are varieties that have wonderful leaf colors while blooming. You can see in my photo all the flowers and the lime/white leaves in the background.

    They appreciate afternoon shade in my hot climate and bloom all season, but as gardengal said, not in her area. I don’t know about your climate, so ask at your local nursery.

    Just took this, same plant as above. The flowers are small, but wonderful pollinators.


    You can see it stays at a good height:



  • 4 years ago

    There are a number of smaller growing variegated forms of Abelia x grandiflora - 'Twist of Mango is one but also consider 'Lemon Lime', 'Mardi Gras' or 'Kaleidoscope'. Kaleidoscope is my favorite as it is SO colorful, especially with colder weather. But it needs some direct sun to develop that color.

    Abelias are considered as semi-evergreen, meaning they hold on to their foliage year round except in very cold weather, when they will drop or lose some of it.

    Abelia Kaleidoscope



  • 4 years ago

    I love heuchera and they come in so many beautiful colors. Purple, red, yellow, orange and chartreuse. Lamium is a nice easy care groundcover

  • 4 years ago

    How about an osmanthus Goshiki? I can't really report on this as I just bought one two weeks ago, but I love the foliage on this. It says it takes partial shade and likes moist soil. No blooms to speak of so doesn't attract butterflies, etc., but it could be a nice, evergreen backdrop for other bloomers. It might get a little bigger than you'd like but check it out.


    I'm going to have to look more closely at these abelias lol. Never paid much attention to them but they're looking pretty good!


    :)

    Dee

  • 4 years ago

    I'm not familiar with it, either, @diggerdee zone 6 CT, but I really like how it looks with the hydrangeas complementing! I'm not sure that this area of mine has enough sun, but it's worth the research.


    I went out today, neither my local nursery nor Lowes had anything other than rhododendron and azaleas :'-( There was one abelia, but it was green and not a dwarf. And the tag said "full sun" :-( So whatever I decide on, I guess I'm going to have to order it online and just hope that I like the texture :-/

  • 4 years ago

    Jason, I planted my osmanthus in what used to be a full shade garden. I lost the triple-oak that was there, but it's still mostly shade, and in addition, the osmanthus is planted on the northwest side of the 6-foot tall stump of the oak. Now, whether it can take that much shade, I don't know and I guess I'll see lol. But it looks like your area is brighter than mine.


    Good luck with your decision!

    :)

    Dee

  • 4 years ago

    Osmanthus 'Goshiki' will take a LOT of shade...even quite deep shade!! But it gets much bigger than the 3'x3' the OP specified. You can keep it smaller and more compact if you prune while still young and relatively small but much harder to do and have it look good if you wait too long. I chose not to prune mine in my old garden and it was easily 7' tall and 4' or so across at the base.

  • 4 years ago

    Seven feet tall! Yikes. The tag said 4-5 feet tall and wide. I wonder if the deeper shade will restrain its growth. I may have to attempt to prune. And gosh, I hate pruning. It terrifies me haha!


    :)

    Dee

  • 4 years ago

    I had the same issue with my Sunshine Ligustrum, @diggerdee zone 6 CT! The tag said 3-4' tall so I put it in front of Ever Fringe Flower shrubs that were supposed to be 5-6' tall. But right now the Ligustrum is easily 6' tall, and the Ever Fringe in the back is maybe 3' tall!


    I don't think you can hurt the Ligustrum by pruning it, but I'll lose the natural look so I'm a little disappointed :-/



    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) is right about the size of your Goshiki, though (she's always right, I usually don't even bother fact-checking her):


    https://www.gardenia.net/plant/osmanthus-heterophyllus-goshiki


    Monrovia said "3-5' tall and 4' wide, but taller with age" (which seems to negate the 3-5' tall?), but Gardenia says 5-10' tall!


    If I'm reading correctly, though, you can do a minor prune in the Spring on the growing tips to keep it short. So not a major prune like I think I'm going to have to do with my Ligustrum :-)

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    IMO most gardens don't have enough hellebores and they suit your conditions just fine while staying on the small side. They are bulletproof, bloom beautifully when your soul most needs it, are evergreen, and come in all sorts of lovely colors.

    I'd do a typical shade garden with them, heuchera, painted ferns, green ferns, maybe a few more hostas,


    "The tag said 4-5 feet tall and wide"


    Those tag sizes are "ten year" estimates and of course the plants do keep growing after ten years.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    There is also a new Hellebore with variegated leaves called 'Dorothy's Dawn'. 12- 18 inches tall. I just added it this year, but, haven't any experience with it yet, I bought it when it was past bloom.

    Hellebore 'Dorothy's Dawn'

    As for using these as part of a shade garden, if you wanted more height you could add a taller fern behind them. I have a lot of Hellebores and find them carefree. They also stay in place and expand slowly. They can put on a nice show if they are happy and the blooms last a long time. I never even fertilize mine or pay much attention to them. I suppose they would look even better if I did. [g]

    The one drawback is that it takes a few years to get to a significant size, if you buy small plugs, which is the most cost effective thing to do. I bought a gallon size of Dorothy's Dawn in the spring and it was about $30. but I wanted to have an impact sooner. I've also bought plenty of plugs for a lot less. OH...and they reproduce and reseed pretty well.

  • 4 years ago

    They do look awesome! They're good in my zone, I wonder why I never see them? But I rarely see coral bells in my area, either!


    Maybe a bit small for what I'm hoping to accomplish here, but they would be great to fill in in front of the shrubs :-) I can think of like 50 places for them in my gardens! LOL


    At $30 a pop, though... maybe not :-O

  • 4 years ago

    I really much prefer plants that I can divide rather than casting seeds :-) I made a mistake of planting a rose campion that was given to me (told it was a lamb's ear), and now I have close to 50 of them coming up in my walkways! LOL


    I'm finding a lot of variety in hellebores, and there are some major differences in them. BHG said they can get up to 3' wide and 8' tall?!


    https://www.bhg.com/gardening/plant-dictionary/perennial/hellebore/


    In this area, I think that I'd rather have colorful shrubs as the backdrop (would be fine if it's not flowering), then I could place the hostas, coral bells, and a shorter variety of hellebore in front of them.


    I have Ever Red Fringe Flower shrubs in the front yard (in full sun), but I'm reading that they do fine in part shade? I'm kinda thinking about rooting some cuttings and put them back there... the leaves would give the color I want, and it's free :-)

  • 4 years ago

    There is NO hellebore in the world that can get 8' tall!! The tallest species I am aware of is Helleborus argutifolius or Corsican hellebore. It can get around 3-4' tall in full sun (it is a sun lover) but that would be in a Mediterranean climate, not NC. Most commonly available varieties/hybrids will top out at just around 2'.

    Just an FYI, but BHG is a very poor website for gathering accurate horticultural info.

  • 4 years ago

    Phew! That's good to know :-) I googled "hellebore size" and BHG was the site from which Google showed the info (a horrible thing for Google to do, BHG gets nothing if Google uses them to show the answer!)


    I can work with 2', though, that's perfect :-)

  • 4 years ago

    Florida sunshine illicium (anise) !

    https://southernlivingplants.com/the-collection/plant/florida-sunshine-illicium/

    Loves shade, right size - wow that color -

    Also consider southern living camellias, many are shorter will bloom in the fall :)
    Early wonder is a japonica that has long bloom time, also can do well in the shade.

    Of course there are beautiful shade loving hydrangeas that are the right size…

  • 4 years ago

    More contenders - I have this everywhere and also in the shade - carex evergold, will keep its color in any light, bananapeal anise

  • 4 years ago

    The new dwarf Hydrangea paniculatas are nice and while the foliage is not anything special, it does look nice and clean and neat all season until just about the end of the season. The flowers stay on the plant for a long time and change colors and the foliage sometimes turns fall colors as well.

  • 4 years ago

    PM2 that hellebore is gorgeous!


    Jason, I know gardengal is never wrong lol! That's what concerns me - if my osmanthus gets to 10' tall as Gardenia says I'm not sure that would work in my space. Guess I'll see...


    Love the color on that illicium - wow! Wish it were hardy in my zone!


    :)

    Dee

  • 4 years ago

    Check out this Aucuba J. Rozannie. I had one at the entry to a previous home. Bright light, no sun and it always looked great. A showy plant IRL and was a slow grower for me.